Quote Originally Posted by blindbox View Post
So you're not pissed at all that 6870 has about the same performance as 5870, as long as the generation increase is not due to a shrink?
For me, a generation increase means a performance increase, that's about it. Maybe power consumption reduction is acceptable as well. If power consumption is half of Cypress, I don't really mind if 6870 has the same perf as 5870. I did say a power reduction would warrant a generation increase but as far as I am concerned, I wouldn't upgrade from 5870 to 6870 just for less power.

Okay, and what part of 6870 != top dog don't you get? If you want a generational leap, compare the 6970 to the 5870.

The entire hoopla around this is that basically AMD named the 5870 incorrectly... if they had intended to keep the $200-300 range reserved for the x800's, then the 5870 should have been renamed the 5970 and the 5970 -> 5970X2, as it appears they are doing with the 6900's this round with Cayman and Antilles.

And, if the rumors are true, the 68xx's are ~200mm^2 and higher perf/mm^2 and higher perf/watt than the 5850/5870, so yes, you're talking about a chip more like Juniper size doing what Cypress did.

Either way, I find it funny people are getting peeved about the card's performance based on:

a) Leaked Vantage/3dMark numbers, which have little bearing on real world gaming (and to boot, the scores weren't referenced with the same CPU/computer set up)

and

b) Projected prices, which we don't know for certain yet, which will be the ultimate factor

After all, who would be the people caring if a 5850/5870 replacement came in at $179/229 for instance? In that example, the people complaining would really only be fanbois trying to stir the pot