New rumor about ATI Southern Islands

[Kuroimaho]

I really don't know where that is coming from,:

Obviously, must be fun to reply to posts which you can't comprehend. The 5970 beats the 8800gtx was truly golden.

My post was about the behavior of the AMD fanbase, that's what connects the two unreleased and the released product. How they defend the 6K without anything to back it up is the same how they claimed that a magic driver will turn on the dormant transistors of the 2900Xt and it becomes a beast, which is yet to happen.
Same for bulldozer if NV or Intel delays something they get ripped a new one, AMD delays their nextgen cpu for two years they get a pass even though they are stuck in the sub 200$ market.

So if AMD changes the naming will be truly entertaining to see what they come up with this time.

[Sn0wm@n]

Obviously, must be fun to reply to posts which you can't comprehend. The 5970 beats the 8800gtx was truly golden.

My post was about the behavior of the AMD fanbase, that's what connects the two unreleased and the released product. How they defend the 6K without anything to back it up is the same how they claimed that a magic driver will turn on the dormant transistors of the 2900Xt and it becomes a beast, which is yet to happen.
Same for bulldozer if NV or Intel delays something they get ripped a new one, AMD delays their nextgen cpu for two years they get a pass even though they are stuck in the sub 200$ market.

So if AMD changes the naming will be truly entertaining to see what they come up with this time.

hold on a minute.... nvidia did delay for a while and they didnt wanted to tell the truth and say that fermi was a broken gpu .... FACT


R600 was overhyped ...... FACT



people taking rumors like its cold hard facts ..... PRICELESS ....



and btw bulldozer isnt out yet so we will keep talk about that for another thread shall we

and money is money ... whatever market it is ... its money ....

[kuroikenshi]

Obviously, must be fun to reply to posts which you can't comprehend. The 5970 beats the 8800gtx was truly golden.

Same for bulldozer if NV or Intel delays something they get ripped a new one, AMD delays their nextgen cpu for two years they get a pass even though they are stuck in the sub 200$ market.

yeah I admit that post of mine was golden, I can't believe that you actually remember such garbage, even when I myself admitted how wrong I was. you either got a phenomenal memory for useless info, or you're out to throw low blows.

Either way, I dunno how being stuck in the sub $200 market, bulldozer, Nvidia and intel fall together in the same sentence... I actually don't see anywhere near as much fanboi-love as you would in other forums.

[Kuroimaho]

hold on a minute.... nvidia did delay for a while and they didnt wanted to tell the truth and say that fermi was a broken gpu .... FACT

As if AMD told us Brisbane was a broken CPU, with lower clocks and half the cache of it's precedessor, and let's not even mention the mighty Phenom 1.

R600 was overhyped ...... FACT

and it sucked.

and btw bulldozer isnt out yet so we will keep talk about that for another thread shall we

That's the point, it should have been out last summer.

[snoid_zero]

6870 & 6850 launching on October 22
http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/ite...aunch-oct-22nm

[kuroikenshi]

so your point is that you grab and quote whatever you want to make your point, now that's impressive.... me likey

[Sn0wm@n]

As if AMD told us Brisbane was a broken CPU, with lower clocks and half the cache of it's precedessor, and let's not even mention the mighty Phenom 1.



and it sucked.




That's the point, it should have been out last summer.

and why would you need to quote me back acknowledging what i told earlier while adding some small bits about phenom 1 and bulldozer again to prove an off topic point for no apparent reason ...

so your point is that you grab and quote whatever you want to make your point, now that's impressive.... me likey

it sounds a bit troll'ish from his part ... but i liked his off topic rambling a bit LOL




quoted from fudzilla's article ... lets see if its credible about the 6890 part ....

Don’t worry though, Cayman is still supposed to launch this year most likely with the HD 6890 if not 6970 / 6950 brands. We still don’t know these brands but this is something that would not surprise.

[Zloyd]

It occured to me as well that vantage performance might not be the right way to judge the new card , if its got good improvement in DX11 then sweet if not its gonna be a bummer ..... well we should know pretty soon what is what.

[kuroikenshi]

..... hey Snom@an.... I can sense a very strong troll energy coming in this youth... with the proper training he could become the next terrance123...

[MrMojoZ]

followed swiftly by the horrendous feeling of being ripped off... "wait, this is the same as my 5870? this is going back to newegg..."

i can only sit on the sideline and laugh as those who trashed nvidia for the same thing defend the practice now...

And still, they didn't do the same thing. You can not like the new naming scheme, I don't, but calling it the same thing is just fanboy boohoo.

[blindbox]

Renaming or not, the argument is still valid. You cant deny that if the rumours are true, 6800 ~= 5800. It's the whole 8800GT->9800GT all over again, minus the fact that 8800GT->9800GT is essentialy the same chip while 5800->6800 is not.

Well, it seems like everyone agrees that it sucks if 6800 ~= 5800, just that it's not a rename, which has been the point of the argument (said over and over again, you can't rename something that hasn't been named). Funny how we could argue over this.

[Eagleclaw]

Great post!

IMO, anyone buying a graphics card with the intention of installing it themselves should be tech savvy enough not to just base their purchase on model numbers.

I don't believe so many people on XS can be confused about the naming scheme! You guys must've been in a whole world of insanity when Nvidia moved from 9xxxGTX to GTX2x0?

[Lanek]

these issues/threads will definitely appear.
unless you are people like us who actually pay attention to hardware news, there is really not a way to know.
sure reviews may show the truth in performance, but when things have been a certain way for quite some time, people become accustomed to that. anyone buying a 4870 or 5870 knew that what they were getting was one of ATI's high end cards.
unless ATI makes an effort to inform people about this (which i am almost positive they will not) then the majority of people will have no idea.

You enter a shop or a site, there's 5 gpu's: HD 6850-6870- 6950-6970-6990..

the 6870 is 250-300 dollars the 6970 is 400-450 dollars (don't know the price yet it's just for the example ).... what will you think first ? the 6870 is the high end model ? so what is the 69xx cards ? and if you don't know it: what will you ask to the vendor ( yes this is in general what are doing peoples who have no clue about hardware )

It's not like the 6870 will be the only one model ....

Someone who want a high performance cards, go in shop with 500$ and look for the best, and ask the top model ... Someone who don't want put so much money in a GPU, look for low model and this is what he will get.

[hurleybird]

Renaming or not, the argument is still valid. You cant deny that if the rumours are true, 6800 ~= 5800. It's the whole 8800GT->9800GT all over again

It's actually more like 8800GTX -> 9800GTX. A name that implies a generational leap, but is only about as fast (sometimes faster sometimes slower depending on what you throw at it) as the previous chip while being smaller and cooler.

[Shadov]

It's actually more like 8800GTX -> 9800GTX. A name that implies a generational leap, but is only about as fast (sometimes faster sometimes slower depending on what you throw at it) as the previous chip while being smaller and cooler.

Jesus how can you compare a new product line-up with re-branding of available products?

AMD has probably reasons for moving the numbers up (e.g. Fusion CPU + GPU Products) and more theorycrafting is starting to look just sad.

[Iconyu]

It's actually more like 8800GTX -> 9800GTX. A name that implies a generational leap, but is only about as fast (sometimes faster sometimes slower depending on what you throw at it) as the previous chip while being smaller and cooler.

Not really because when they did that nothing new came out, the name implies one thing sure but it's not the same strategy behind it at all.

I think very few people will be confused unless they somehow only see the 6870/6850 (which they might if the 69*0 is delayed). Otherwise I think most people will see that the 6870 is not near the cutting edge of AMD's product line up, as the fourth/fifth fastest cards I think it won't take too long for people to get their heads around it.

Also your average PC gamer isn't that stupid, they are way beyond the "Oh wow my new GPU has 1GB of ram and it only cost me $50!" stage if they are looking at the 6850+ area. Sure they may not be counting ROP's but they are counting Shaders.

[hurleybird]

Jesus how can you compare a new product line-up with re-branding of available products?

What are you talking about? 8800GTX -> 9800GTX was a new product. Only instead of improving performance the product became smaller and more efficient.

[Manicdan]

so a 4770 should have been called a 5x70 instead?

[flopper]

people dont buy much LP records today, nor soon CD, and people dont buy a lot of floppy drives either, why aint people concern with that?
I mean they changed a whole indsutry in several areas, floppy like the movie wargames is a classic, and should stay the same forever.

a change to the lineup with the new series seems fully understandable by the marketing team.

[Final8ty]

What are you talking about? 8800GTX -> 9800GTX was a new product. Only instead of improving performance the product became smaller and more efficient.

Just shrinking components in a GPU with no feature or performance changes does not count.

Some Xbox 360 have shrunken GPU/CPU components, they don't count that as a new product.

[Sn0wm@n]

so a 4770 should have been called a 5x70 instead?

lolwut ....

[Manicdan]

lolwut ....

was a reply to:

What are you talking about? 8800GTX -> 9800GTX was a new product. Only instead of improving performance the product became smaller and more efficient.

which was the post right above mine

[blindbox]

It's actually more like 8800GTX -> 9800GTX. A name that implies a generational leap, but is only about as fast (sometimes faster sometimes slower depending on what you throw at it) as the previous chip while being smaller and cooler.

You're right! +1

Just shrinking components in a GPU with no feature or performance changes does not count.

Some Xbox 360 have shrunken GPU/CPU components, they don't count that as a new product.

Okay, while we're at it, Radeon HD 2900 -> 3870

Hum hum.

[Final8ty]

You're right! +1





Okay, while we're at it, Radeon HD 2900 -> 3870

Hum hum.

2900 Dx10 - 3870 Dx10.1.

[Sn0wm@n]

was a reply to:


which was the post right above mine

ahh sorry