ASUS Maximus II Formula - new P45 king?

[seban]

Arghh I am back after almost 2 days living on airport because of canceled airplane ... but now at home with machine ready for some testing.

seban, how did you work out he 0/2 1/3 and NB GTLs, as i need to up the FSB for 480 stable.. cheers amte

It is really hard to tell - post your Vtt which you are using for 480 maybe we will find some nice values but I am afraid it is really hit and miss .

[Grnfinger]

Advanced 350 make the computer freeze during post on USBFINAL. I cant get it stable no matter what, tried every different clock skew, and gave hte ram 2.2v, and the nb got 1.4.. No go

I think your being to conservative with your nb volts, I need 1.44 on the 266 strap.
You could also try NB clock skew, it settled my ram down rather fast when when I was pushing my Mushkin kit past 1175MHz.

[ecidious]

I spent some time the other day messing around with OCing this board with my q9650. I got it stable at 445 x 9 before running out of time to try all of the settings myself, so does anyone have any advice on what to change to get this higher? I've tried just upping the CPU/vtt/vNB volts along with the FSB but couldn't get it stable for more than an hour of prime95.

The rig is watercooled, temps are great (except for the NB getting to 50C under load but that needs a remount with MX-2 on the block), RAM is 4 x 2GB sticks of G.Skill 8500CL5D-4GBPK. RAM volts are probably a little higher than needed, but it's within specs and they're well cooled so I'm not worried about the volts for now

Processor:  Q9650
Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
FSB Frequency: 445
CPU Clock Skew: Normal
NB Clock Skew: Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge:  333MHz
DRAM Frequency: 1069MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: 
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: 
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: 
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: 
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information: 5-5-5-15-3-52-6-3

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay:  3
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 50 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: 6
Read to Precharge Time: 3

2nd Information: 7-3-5-4-5-4-6

Read to Write Delay (S/D): 8
Write to Read Delay (S):  3
Write to Read Delay (D):  5
Read to Read Delay (S):  4
Read to Read Delay (D):  6
Write to Write Delay (S): 4
Write to Write Delay (D): 6

3rd Information: 14-5-1-6-6

Write to PRE Delay: 14
Read to PRE Delay: 5
PRE to PRE Delay: 1
All PRE to ACT Delay: 6
All PRE to REF Delay: 6
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM. OC Charger: Auto
Ai Clock Twister: Auto
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 12
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled

PCIE Frequency: 100

CPU Voltage: 1.31250
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.50000
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.28550
DRAM Voltage: 2.10475
North Bridge Voltage:  1.28550
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage:  1.50000
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10000: 

CPU GTL Reference (0): +20mV
CPU GTL Reference (1): -20mV
CPU GTL Reference (2): +20mV
CPU GTL Reference (3): -20mV
NB GTL Reference:  +20mV
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Enabled
CPU TM Function: Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled 

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[seban]

I spent some time the other day messing around with OCing this board with my q9650. I got it stable at 445 x 9 before running out of time to try all of the settings myself, so does anyone have any advice on what to change to get this higher? I've tried just upping the CPU/vtt/vNB volts along with the FSB but couldn't get it stable for more than an hour of prime95.

M8 your template is just basic. There is a lot templates for c2q 45nm flying around here you can just read few pages back and you should find at least 3 or 4.

All your major volts are too low (I am not talking about vcore as I do not know your CPU).

Give us something to work with.

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As a quick guide for sure you would need more Vtt for > than 450mhz, more CPU PLL, more vNB, more PCIe, maybe some GTLs fine tuning.

Disable all in CPU submenu and so on.

All of that with assumption that you ram is stable.

Cheers and have fun

[Grnfinger]

lol, instead of just using someone elses settings its kind of a good idea to learn this board yourself and how your hardware reacts.
Maybe I'm weird but I like to know what my money bought, not what others think it can do.....

[ecidious]

M8 your template is just basic. There is a lot templates for c2q 45nm flying around here you can just read few pages back and you should find at least 3 or 4.

All your major volts are too low (I am not talking about vcore as I do not know your CPU).

Give us something to work with.

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As a quick guide for sure you would need more Vtt for > than 450mhz, more CPU PLL, more vNB, more PCIe, maybe some GTLs fine tuning.

Disable all in CPU submenu and so on.

All of that with assumption that you ram is stable.

Cheers and have fun

Maybe you misunderstood, but it is 100% stable at 445*9 with those settings (12 hours on prime and 20 cycles of IBT without an error)

It doesn't want to go much further than that even with the CPU/NB/vtt all at 1.4v and PLL at 1.6V, so that's why I'm asking for some help.

[seban]

Maybe you misunderstood, but it is 100% stable at 445*9 with those settings (12 hours on prime and 20 cycles of IBT without an error)

It doesn't want to go much further than that even with the CPU/NB/vtt all at 1.4v and PLL at 1.6V, so that's why I'm asking for some help.

Which Prime are you stable? if Blend that is ok if small ftt then you should go blend (I am also IBT/LINX stable at 471 but Blend will fail after 3h)

Also which exactly P95 test gives you errors when you go higher with FSB?

You might need more then 1.4 vNB to be stable on higher FSB.

In the end simple solution might be setting PCIe to 101 or 102.

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BTW I am feeling like I hit the FSB wall with my MF2 - cant make it stable at 469+ There are still few options left but I slowly see end of them.

But those option yeld a hope which I am holding to.

It is shame that I did not have enough experience and time with my first MF2 to do real testing and comparison to my current one.

That is life

[ecidious]

It was failing 1024 early on in blend tests when over an FSB of 450 (only made a few minutes, at 445 FSB though it passes blend without a problem), so with the volts near what I felt were safe maximums I just backed the speed down to 445*9 and hoped the TIM on the NB would set up better but so far the load temps are still a bit high on the NB

[seban]

It was failing 1024 early on in blend tests when over an FSB of 450 (only made a few minutes, at 445 FSB though it passes blend without a problem), so with the volts near what I felt were safe maximums I just backed the speed down to 445*9 and hoped the TIM on the NB would set up better but so far the load temps are still a bit high on the NB

445 it passes 12h of blend? Also what temps r u getting on NB.

1024 means more vtt or more vnb in your case I would say both (a lot more vNB). Just try some template and see if it will bring some changes.

[ecidious]

yes, at 445 it'll pass 12 hours of blend with the low volts from the template.

temps are getting up to 50 degrees C (depending on test) with anywhere from 1.1V-1.4V on the NB, which was leading me to think I have a bad mount either on the NB's water block or the heatpipe to the chip itself (the temps responded to volts before I put the waterblock on it)

[Furiøùs]

I think your being to conservative with your nb volts, I need 1.44 on the 266 strap.
You could also try NB clock skew, it settled my ram down rather fast when when I was pushing my Mushkin kit past 1175MHz.

Ahh NB clock skews, i totally looked those over.

Also, i'll try more NB. got a CoD WaW scrim tonight so it has to be stable

[screwtech02]

Ok, this may seem a bit odd.... This board is x8 crossfire right?? For arguments sake, say someone put a couple 4850x2's in it... Then started having issues with booting, vid performance, ect...

This could be laid upon said individual as being a fool/n00b/ect...

One would have to assume that the issues are with the PCI-E slots being x8 electrical, and not supplying enough power thru the slot for said X2 cards??

Input/bashing/flames????


Me=

[SkOrPn]

Anyone know if my G.Skill F2-8800CL5D-4GBPI can be doubled on this mobo? Like to get a 2nd kit and see how high this mobo will run 8gb

[humeyboy]

Ok, this may seem a bit odd.... This board is x8 crossfire right?? For arguments sake, say someone put a couple 4850x2's in it... Then started having issues with booting, vid performance, ect...

This could be laid upon said individual as being a fool/n00b/ect...

One would have to assume that the issues are with the PCI-E slots being x8 electrical, and not supplying enough power thru the slot for said X2 cards??

Input/bashing/flames????


Me=

No difference,the P45 is PCI-E 2.0 and can handle any card in Crossfire (proven 2-3 weeks ago in a review), it was an issue on 2x8 PCI-E 1.0/1 Slots like P35 had.

And its bandwidth not power, the slots will provide the same power be it 1x16 or 2x8.

[Leeghoofd]

Ok, this may seem a bit odd.... This board is x8 crossfire right?? For arguments sake, say someone put a couple 4850x2's in it... Then started having issues with booting, vid performance, ect...

This could be laid upon said individual as being a fool/n00b/ect...

One would have to assume that the issues are with the PCI-E slots being x8 electrical, and not supplying enough power thru the slot for said X2 cards??

Input/bashing/flames????


Me=

Could also need a bios update to provide full compatability sometimes... or eg ya PSU cannot handle the power drain

[mikeyakame]

Anyone know if my G.Skill F2-8800CL5D-4GBPI can be doubled on this mobo? Like to get a 2nd kit and see how high this mobo will run 8gb

you can try but the 8800s are low voltage powerchips, they don't clock that high generally or consistently. I have a pair that do 1180 5-5-5-16 at 1.96v, but another friends limit around 1160 5-5-5-18 at 2.04v or so. you will need a lot of northbridge voltage to run 4 sticks on a P45, 4x2 will be even more demanding.

they are good for 1100-1150 in general with 5-5-5-16 and 70-80 tRFC. they also dont need very much clock skew either, and actually throw errors pretty fast if you add more than 50-100ps either way of normal (adv/delay).
i've found they perform roughly best with around 50ps between channel a and channel b, exactly what value for both is a matter of the board. i use delay 50ps chan a, normal chan b. A p5q deluxe I set up used pretty much the same, normal chan a, 100ps advance chan b.

[humeyboy]

I run 4x2GB on 1.1v for 1600QP FSB or 1.2v for 2000QP FSB.

[mikeyakame]

diff ics require diff northbridge voltages, probably to do with the diff amplitude more than anything else. microns reqiure quite a bit of additional nb voltage to clock high for example.

[seban]

Hey !

Yup happy new year to all of ya ppl

I got little present for every one for new year .

It is simple GTL and NB GLT calculator.

How to use it:

First type in desired / currently used vtt voltage as in your bios (or rather the way it looks loaded in Everest for example - but bios one is also working fine)

Secondly put some correction numbers and watch how GTL values are changing (Max and Min values of GTL for given VTT are also shown there).

The goal is to figure out which GTL works best for you for one VTT - in most cases the same GTLs voltages will work for different VTTs or very similar ones (or sometimes not ). So when we switch Vtt we would need to adjust GTLrefs to values which will give same or close to same GTLs as working previous ones for different vtt.

Anyway have fun using it, I created it to make my life easier and it does the job.

PS. There are 2 sets of values to compare between different VTT.

[screwtech02]

No difference,the P45 is PCI-E 2.0 and can handle any card in Crossfire (proven 2-3 weeks ago in a review), it was an issue on 2x8 PCI-E 1.0/1 Slots like P35 had.

And its bandwidth not power, the slots will provide the same power be it 1x16 or 2x8.

This is a PAIR of 4850x2's in quad here.... That fact isnt gonna kill the bandwidth??

[seban]

This is a PAIR of 4850x2's in quad here.... That fact isnt gonna kill the bandwidth??

I remember reading comparisons of 2x 16PCIE and 2x 8PCIe and there was quit significant difference in performance.

Best setup for any SLI / Cross setups are I7 platforms.

[humeyboy]

This is a PAIR of 4850x2's in quad here.... That fact isnt gonna kill the bandwidth??

Again PCI-E 2.0 is plenty for any of TODAY's GPU's in SLI or Crossfire.

If it was an P35 it would be bad but not on P45.

Don't go by anything you read unless it states its PCI-E 2.0 as 2x 8 PCI-E 1.0/1 would loose performance, this review was very recent.

I would have no doubts running 2 GPU's on this P45, I would not have done so on a P35 though.

That said I do not like Dual GPU set up's and rather have 1 better GPU.

[ViViD]

Hi Happy New Year Friends
Any 1 Can Get 500 FSB With Q9550 On This Board?

EveryDay I Try But I Can't Get More 490 On Setup With 1.65 Volt CPU And In Windows With SetFSB 499 But After 20Second Hang In System And Then Reset......

[humeyboy]

Plenty have 500+ on MFII in this thread : http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=197802

Fact is the Q9650 E0 is a better CPU, obv best cores go to them and failed cores go to lower models.

[seban]

I got problem installing WindowsXp 32bit with all HDDs in AHCI mode.

I downloaded floppy creator from INTEL site for XP 32bit and while it is zip file I extracted content to root of my 2gb Kingstone (instruction says it should be exe ).

I set in BIOS in usb devices that USB will be emulated as Force FDD.

I hit F6 button but in menu it recognizes my Flash drive but I got error:

"File txtsetup.oem caused an unexpected error (1) at line 1747 in d:\xpsp\base\boot\setup\oemdisk.c .

Press any key..."

Anybody?

I do not have floppy as most of us probably.

Cheers