Confirmed: Feser 1 Blue Premix + GTZ = do NOT want

[DarthBeavis]

If you aren't putting it in dishes on the floor then it shouldn't be a problem.

Leaks happen . . . .when you are a pro like me:



I had to put my Love Ewe on life support after it got into the coolant

[hellcamino]

Concern comes if for some reason you have a bad leak where the loop drains and the pets get into it. If your going to use it, wouldn't use much

Why would you have a leak?


Seriously, it comes down to personal responsibility: if you are an idiot then don't have anything potentially dangerous around. If you are not an idiot then you can take a calculated risk or two...Such as water cooling your pc!

[kinghong1970]

did it survive?

[millertime359]

I had to put my Love Ewe on life support after it got into the coolant

[millertime359]

Why would you have a leak?


Seriously, it comes down to personal responsibility: if you are an idiot then don't have anything potentially dangerous around. If you are not an idiot then you can take a calculated risk or two...Such as water cooling your pc!

I haven't had a leak yet myself, but still new. So lets ask the rest of XS.

Has anyone ever had a leak, seeing it seems it never happens?

[kinghong1970]

but come to think of it... your EWE seems like it's getting an enema...

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Hey snipe,
I can see what he is saying, even though he is coming across a little strong. Your post title is "Confirmed: Feser 1 Blue Premix + GTZ = do NOT want"

I can understand how that would scare the crap out of someone who is not an avid water cooler.

true, when I wrote the title I was more thinking along the lines of "confirmed I had clogged mine" because until I opened the system up I had suspected the block was clogged but I was unsure.

[Jupiler]

My experience with several Feser fluids :

Feser UV Acid Green + Apogee GTX (used several months) : blocks were absolutely clean.
Changed the GTX for the GTZ 4 weeks ago, still using UV Acid Green : no problems so far (apart from the irritating noise from the GTZ )

Feser UV Yellow + DTek Fuzion v1 : clean (used it a couple of months)
Feser UV Red + DTek Fuzion v2 : blocks are clean after 6 months usage.

Just installed the WC 3.0 CU and using Feser UV Blue now : we'll see how it turns out.

[LinusTech]

I haven't had a leak yet myself, but still new. So lets ask the rest of XS.

Has anyone ever had a leak, seeing it seems it never happens?

Almost 100% of the time leaks are caused by incompetence, laziness, or brain-farts, ESPECIALLY once the components have already been tested once to be leak free (which any competent person, non-lazy person would do before they put it anywhere near live components).

That said, I've had my fair share of leaks caused primarily by laziness, but I had a few doozies back in the day. My most recent was a slow leak under a fitting that was dripping down on the back of my top GTX 260 causing intermittent lock-ups while gaming. I couldn't see or feel the water because I had the shroud on the back of the card and the water was dripping right through to the PCB.

I eventually figured out (a couple DAYS later) what was going on and the card is still running to this day.

[Martinm210]

I'm a happy UV tube/distilled user myself. I never have had one of these significant sedimentation types of occurrences when I was using UV dye, but regardless...I just don't find the need anymore with UV tubing. I've read through similar occurrences every now and then on a wide array of different UV dyes. It's not made up...it's obviously a real problem, but it's not consistent at all. I think it's got to be some sort of chemical or heat related reaction. Maybe some chemical coming off the tubing itself, or something.

I'm not sure, I just gave up on UV dye. I used to run hydrx and various Pentosin's etc. They all faded out on me in a few months. I'm now running straight distilled and UV tubing and my loop has been perfectly clean for 8 monts now without changing. I've got a clear view in my flow meters and it's sparkling clean.

I think UV dyes can work, but they do require much more frequent maintenance....too much for me...I'm lazy..

[millertime359]

That said, I've had my fair share of leaks caused primarily by laziness, but I had a few doozies back in the day. My most recent was a slow leak under a fitting that was dripping down on the back of my top GTX 260 causing intermittent lock-ups while gaming. I couldn't see or feel the water because I had the shroud on the back of the card and the water was dripping right through to the PCB.

I eventually figured out (a couple DAYS later) what was going on and the card is still running to this day.

And that is all that is being said, it CAN happen, and it CAN happen to where you don't notice it for a while. The chance does exist.

Of course there are steps that can be taken to reduce that chance. That is why you leak test your system, use hose clamps (or compression fittings) and periodically check fittings for looseness, but even doing all that, happens

[millertime359]

It's not made up...it's obviously a real problem, but it's not consistent at all. I think it's got to be some sort of chemical or heat related reaction. Maybe some chemical coming off the tubing itself, or something.

Is there anyone that would be willing to test this? It would be interesting to see what different types of tubes, pre-mixes, additives, blocks, etc Are the most prone to this.

Granted it would be a big (expensive) test.

[DarthBeavis]

incompetence
laziness
brain-farts

Have we ever met in person because it seems you know me so well . . .

I had two major leaks caused by Thermaltake acrylic block tops just cracking out of nowhere after at least six months of running (so NOT overtightened). In Hellmouth I had TWO pumps in series loose power due to a faulty power hub (before I started using Bitspower stuff) which ran my GPUS (cpu on phase) so the GPUS heated up the loop causing the tubes to pop off . . .not easy to do when you have 3/8" tubes on 1/2 fittings mind you . . . .coolant ALL over the place including in my PSU . . . .

Then there was the time I was testing blood red fluid in Autopsy . . . had the fillport in the mouth (before I moved it to the neck). Well, I have three pumps in series in that build . . . .filled but forgot to plug the filltube . . .ran it . . .blood red all over my wall . . .

[ust]

I have Feser liquid in my loop as well so I decided to write Feser to get an explanation and their point of view.

This is the answer I recieved:

AW: Enquiry from TFC - The Feser Company‏
Fra: The Feser Company (Shop@Feser-One.com)
MiddelrisikoDette er muligvis en ukendt afsender.Tilføj som afsender, der er tillid til|Marker som uønsket
Sendt: 9. juni 2009 20:07:48
Til: 'XXXXXXXXXXXXXX' (XXXXXXXXXXXX@hotmail.com)

Nope. this is faked. This user hates us.



Von: XXXXXXXXXXXX [mailto:XXXXXXXXX@hotmail.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Juni 2009 18:12
An: Melanie Gennat
Betreff: Enquiry from TFC - The Feser Company



Hell0 TFC

I have been using your cooling fluids for over a year now and haven't experienced any REAL problems - besides som slight algae growth in my resevoir. This was after a year of running in a closed loop/system.
I used the black version.

Anyway, I just read this at Extreme Systems forum:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=226632

And thought you guys would like to comment?

Yours sincerly XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Copenhagen, Denmark

: - D I'm speechless.

I would have taken a screenshot of the message but I don't know how to?

[LinusTech]

And that is all that is being said, it CAN happen, and it CAN happen to where you don't notice it for a while. The chance does exist.

Of course there are steps that can be taken to reduce that chance. That is why you leak test your system, use hose clamps (or compression fittings) and periodically check fittings for looseness, but even doing all that, happens

Absolutely it can happen.

Personally I have measures in place (like my system being 100% internal so leaks would pool on the floor of my case) that would prevent it from being a pet hazard because I'm a lazy SOB about my builds and I invariably forget at least one thing (ie the front panel connectors, the EPS 8-pin, or tightening that last barb that I put on) but I stand by what I said.

A CAREFULLY, METHODICALLY, SLOWLY build water cooling loop will not leak.

[millertime359]

Well, I have three pumps in series in that build . . . .filled but forgot to plug the filltube . . .ran it . . .blood red all over my wall . . .

wish we had that on film

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

I have Feser liquid in my loop as well so I decided to write Feser to get an explanation and their point of view.

This is the answer I recieved:




: - D I'm speechless

you can respond to them and tell them that the feser green in my vga/NB loop is working nicely.


and that I don't think I could fake this as good as it happened naturally

[millertime359]

I have Feser liquid in my loop as well so I decided to write Feser to get an explanation and their point of view.

This is the answer I recieved:




: - D I'm speechless.

I would have taken a screenshot of the message but I don't know how to?

WTF ..... you are serious?

Guess we must ask Sniipe then,

Sniipe,

Is it true, do you hate Feser 1 and did you fake this to hurt them?

Edit: damn, 3 mins too late again

[LinusTech]

Then there was the time I was testing blood red fluid in Autopsy . . . had the fillport in the mouth (before I moved it to the neck). Well, I have three pumps in series in that build . . . .filled but forgot to plug the filltube . . .ran it . . .blood red all over my wall . . .

Haha. That reminds me of one time I was draining my loop. I had the T-line fastened way up in the top of the case zip tied to the non windowed side of the 5.25 bays. I had that panel off and I was taking the tubing off the pump so that I could blow all the liquid out (you may laugh, but this is by far the easiest way I've found of draining a loop).

So I took out the pump. Put one end into the sink and blew into the other end. It was like 'ol faithful. It's a good thing I run distilled, but that roll of TP was never quite right again.

[ust]

Sniipe have you had dealings, as in troubles, with Feser before or is she making things up?
I mean an answer like that from a respected and fairly large company like Feser is just plain strange.

[kinghong1970]

wow... that comment is real pro...

way to show your uber customer service...

[LinusTech]

respected and fairly large company

They get blasted for all kinds of stuff. I'm not saying I agree with all (or any) of it, but this community has as many Feser H8ERs as lovers...

[Sadasius]

Now this has been entertaining.

[LOUISSSSS]

I have Feser liquid in my loop as well so I decided to write Feser to get an explanation and their point of view.

This is the answer I recieved:

AW: Enquiry from TFC - The Feser Company‏
Fra: The Feser Company (Shop@Feser-One.com)
MiddelrisikoDette er muligvis en ukendt afsender.Tilføj som afsender, der er tillid til|Marker som uønsket
Sendt: 9. juni 2009 20:07:48
Til: 'XXXXXXXXXXXXXX' (XXXXXXXXXXXX@hotmail.com)

Nope. this is faked. This user hates us.



Von: XXXXXXXXXXXX [mailto:XXXXXXXXX@hotmail.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Juni 2009 18:12
An: Melanie Gennat
Betreff: Enquiry from TFC - The Feser Company



Hell0 TFC

I have been using your cooling fluids for over a year now and haven't experienced any REAL problems - besides som slight algae growth in my resevoir. This was after a year of running in a closed loop/system.
I used the black version.

Anyway, I just read this at Extreme Systems forum:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=226632

And thought you guys would like to comment?

Yours sincerly XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Copenhagen, Denmark

: - D I'm speechless.

I would have taken a screenshot of the message but I don't know how to?

wowowowow feser, you guys in suck. i will not be buying your products until i hear something that makes up for this response.

no, snipe doesn't hate you, but now a lot more people @ XS will

[ust]

They get blasted for all kinds of stuff. I'm not saying I agree with all (or any) of it, but this community has as many Feser H8ERs as lovers...

I see. I have only heard good things though - as of now that is.

But still customer service like the answer I recieved is inexplainable from an international company of any kind - be it good or bad.