The GT300/Fermi Thread - Part 2!

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One thing I can I give credit to nvidia, their marketing department is smarter than their actual production department. They cut the wrong corners and make bad decisions then try to optimize the problems away.

Then the marketing department steps in and brings in the millions.

i dont think its their marketing department, its their sales department...

I suppose it's safe to assume that Fermi is coming. Why is the warranty getting shorter, though?

i guess cause they know they wont have GF100 parts for a long time, they will probably only have their initial 10K wafers of GF100 and the real availability they mentioned for Q2 will probably be with GF104...

http://www.guru3d.com/article/nvidia-geforce-470-480/

hmmm is it only me who finds it a bit ironic to bash charlie as unreliable and then mention almost the same points he did? the only difference is that he doesnt believe it will hurt nvidia that much.

It starts by aiming directly at Charlie and then validating 3/4 of the stuff he says. I guess Hilbert hopes that NVIDIA's PR guys only read the first few paragraphs.

oh nvm, so it was not just me

This seems like a way to make AMD lose potentially tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of dollars.

If they make enough hoopla about this and the pricing, AMD going to have to reduce the price of their card from 399 down to 299 or less. And their 5850 down atleast 100 dollars.This is of course assuming the gtx 470 performs like the 5870 or better.

X million in sales * pricedrop = tens of millions to hundreds of millions in lost revenue. AMD won't lose money off each card because they are cheap to make. However, I can see the graphic division as a whole not being profitable again.

That alot of damage from a few thousand cards. In the long run this could hurt NV. Its almost a kamikaze move because I don't know how they could sell a 5xx mm2 card so cheap, even in the future.

pff right, like ati would be that stupid

Actually it is about time. ATi has been milking the marked for too long, because nVidia just jumped over those cards that should be competing with 5x-series.

hahahaha whaaaaaat?
nvidia has been milking the market with G80 derivatives for how many years? and now after ati has the performance crown for what, 4 months, and sells some highend cards for more than 500$, they have been milking the market for too long?

The best deal for us (the frequent consumers of GPU), would be:

GTX 470 for $299 which matches/beats 5850
GTX 480 for $399 which matches/beats 5870
Dual GF100 for $499 which matches/beats 5970

But we all know that a superior Fermi (without a real competitor) won't come cheap (just as the ATi 5x-series didn't come cheap either).
These prices won't happen unless ATi has new/refresh GPU to compete with Fermi at launch. That's when it gets really interesting for nerds, because good and cheap GPUs would flying around everywhere.

there definately wont be cheap and good nvidia gpus "flying around everywhere" for quite a while... wake up man!

What Charlie wrote sounds like a typical, non-objective rant. The article on Guru3D confirms some of the arguments, but also says Fermi will be "very fast"

he didnt say that, did he?
he said it wont be notably faster than 5850/5870, and then ads that in his opinion nvidia doesnt have to beat them anyways...
whenever somebody talks about why he doesnt have to do something, hes only trying to disctract from the fact that he CANT do it

At this point, neither. Charlie's articles are clearly meant to inflame a situation and garner him with more readers. Guru3D's is purely reactionary and knee-jerk in nature.

All I'm saying is that I am sick and bloody tired of seeing this back and forth BS. It demeans otherwise legitimate sites when they wade into a discussion about rumors by posting a "me too!" article without citing proper, quotable sources.

i dont think charlie cares all that much about hits man... hes writing the way he thinks and feels about nvidia, easy as that... hes not hiding his anger towards them, nor is he making it up to get more hits with drama...

GTX 470/480 launch 26 march 2010.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/paxeast.html

it doesnt say launch anywhere...

NVIDIA Booth
Exhibit Hall D, Booth #1003- Test drive our highly-anticipated, next-generation GPU…you may even
be able to buy one before anyone else

so where does it say launch?
all this says is that there will be at least one fermi based system you will be able to play games on... plus a speculation that maaaaybe there will be pre-orders at the event...
thats not a launch... if they would launch it then they would mention it big time.

dont miss the launch of our next gen gaming card!!!! it will revolutionize the gaming experience, a once in a lifetime event!

Based on precendent set by Crysis Warhead, I'm quite sure every game this year will play well on a 8800GT.

That is until *somebody* produces another "8800GT" type product (5770 is close.. but).

HD58xx (and especially Fermi) owners are not going to makeup significant share of the market for a long time.

if the 5830 is priced right, cypress might actually turn into a 8800-ish card

but tbh... its impossible for any card to follow in 8800s footsteps now cause there simply arent any demanding games out right now that would require an upgrade...

http://www.benchzone.com/preorders.htm

NV30 part deux March 27

no, it wont be that bad, nv30 was SLOWER than its predecessor in quite some games! fermi cant possibly be slower than a 285 seing as they use very similar building blocks, fermi has more mem bw and even the 470 has double the sp's as a 285...

I think at the very worst, we are looking at a 2900xt like launch.

yeah, thats more like it... and on ln2 fermi will probably spread its wings if its that heat limited as it seems to be, and itll have the benching perf crown, even if it cant be bought anywhere or sucks on air cooling...