Retail Q9650 Overclocking Thread

[GoodToGo]

Is it a good idea to run such high vcores? I mean they say the limit is not over 1.4 Volts

1.5 Volts is asking for a CPU omelet

[CryptiK]

teaser SS with UD3P
Only worth pi 1M without a sweat...lol...for 24/7 around 4.5Ghz stable is possible with decent voltage.


Your phase unit is crying....come join us to the dark side with new mobo

Nice clocks. What vMCH do you require for 500 FSB totally stable? At 500 x 9, what are you running your ram at and at what PL?

[Jor3lBR]

Just give her a good present for Xmas and so on January 2/2009 just run for a new board

Cheers mate !

How come the DFI not getting that ? is it a very good mobo...

Kind Regards
Sergio

Because DFI X38 and X48 can't hit decent FSBs with any and all Quads. I have the same problem, can't get above FSB 460 with my Q6600 for the life of it, tried it for months lol. Another mobo --> 480 stable
Only no other mobo will hold my 250W Q6600 on 24/7 load without exploding

Jcool is right, it's disappointing really I've been thru 3 DFI's X38 and 2 DFI's X48 and they all gave same results on Quads with a little difference in FSB.

I got these boards as soon as this Chipset debut because of the double x16 in Crossfire capability, but then when ATI's X2 came out that was a feature that became a bit useless.

The boards cost me $300+ at the time and they are good for high mem clocks DDR2@1300 with little voltage. They are also solid trustworthy boards but for that price DFI could have done a lot better.

The reason I believe is a fatal mistake made on the PWM-Chipset design for running Quads. They underestimated that for sure.

The max FSB I got out of a Quad was 485x9 but that stresses the board a lot, needs a lot of volts on NB/VTT/Vcore for that (with a board rev. A1).

So you have to chose between running 470x9 and low volts for everything (vtt, vnb. vdimm, vcore etc) or 485x9 with huge amount of volts.

I prefer to run it low volts and comfortable because the extra 15Mhz won't be missed.

With a new board in the near future that can change. I'm not thinking about i7 as it won't give me any gains in reality.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Jcool is right, it's disappointing really I've been thru 3 DFI's X38 and 2 DFI's X48 and they all gave same results on Quads with a little difference in FSB.

I got these boards as soon as this Chipset debut because of the double x16 in Crossfire capability, but then when ATI's X2 came out that was a feature that became a bit useless.

The boards cost me $300+ at the time and they are good for high mem clocks DDR2@1300 with little voltage. They are also solid trustworthy boards but for that price DFI could have done a lot better.

The reason I believe is a fatal mistake made on the PWM-Chipset design for running Quads. They underestimated that for sure.

The max FSB I got out of a Quad was 485x9 but that stresses the board a lot, needs a lot of volts on NB/VTT/Vcore for that (with a board rev. A1).

So you have to chose between running 470x9 and low volts for everything (vtt, vnb. vdimm, vcore etc) or 485x9 with huge amount of volts.

I prefer to run it low volts and comfortable because the extra 15Mhz won't be missed.

With a new board in the near future that can change. I'm not thinking about i7 as it won't give me any gains in reality.

get the avenger thats what I'll be moving to as my EOL 775 board for the next year or so, it should be out in <1month

[davidoff619]

let face it guys intel will give up on 775 by end of first quarter 09 so the boards will already out or coming before newyear. Which will take all the good parts from every board and make the q9xxx fly just as high as the i7 is now if not better then the i7 will wipe the floor as all intels new chips do. But no good gaming chips coming any time soon this is the best of the q9's period. Keep up the good work guys

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

let face it guys intel will give up on 775 by end of first quarter 09 so the boards will already out or coming before newyear. Which will take all the good parts from every board and make the q9xxx fly just as high as the i7 is now if not better then the i7 will wipe the floor as all intels new chips do. But no good gaming chips coming any time soon this is the best of the q9's period. Keep up the good work guys

good boards are already out there and p45 will be supported by intel for the next year at least. not to mention good motherboard manufacturers will continue with BIOS support.

[Sparda]

Nice clocks. What vMCH do you require for 500 FSB totally stable? At 500 x 9, what are you running your ram at and at what PL?

500fsb and more >1.5v-1.6v-...vmch for quad on this mobo otherwise prime blend = freeze.
strap 400 ; 1:1 ; 2x2gb ddr1066 corsair ; PL 9
Playing with this board nearly a month with that voltage. No degradation whatsoever....btw it on water.

Is it a good idea to run such high vcores? I mean they say the limit is not over 1.4 Volts

1.5 Volts is asking for a CPU omelet

Each cpu has their own value. Some needed low voltage. Mine craving for vcore when playing above 4.3Ghz. Probably might shaven it up with better mobos like DQ6 or Extrem. Just here to share info.

Because DFI X38 and X48 can't hit decent FSBs with any and all Quads. I have the same problem, can't get above FSB 460 with my Q6600 for the life of it, tried it for months lol. Another mobo --> 480 stable
Only no other mobo will hold my 250W Q6600 on 24/7 load without exploding

I been through that too with Maximus. I hate Q6600 because they are hot but still keep some around. :P
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[Sparda]

prime blend..pls no omg wtf bbq 1.5v...lol
batch L826A9xx<forgot...a decent one with one bad sensor.

[xguntherc]

Hey Sparda... I see your screeny there, with Core Temp open. and your Tj Max Value is Wrong. therfor your getting the wrong temp readout right now.

the correct Tj Max Value on the 45nm Chips is supposed to be set at 100. So I am sorry to be the one to tell you, but all those temps you're showing are actually 5 Degree's higher or so.
Change the Tj Max Value to 100c and that will be the right temp read.

[Sparda]

Ohh thanks. 95 for the wolfdale right? No wonder some of the cpu keep trottling when I start Linpack.

[davidoff619]

The themal spec is 74.5 before they start. So that won't be it I don't think ur still under 70 mine stops just under 70 at 4.2 but seen no problems and how come at 4.25 programs start to lag a hell of a lot. Anyone think what it could be. It's not a problem though just wondering it was 30 runs of IBT STABLE!

[Sparda]

The themal spec is 74.5 before they start. So that won't be it I don't think ur still under 70 mine stops just under 70 at 4.2 but seen no problems and how come at 4.25 programs start to lag a hell of a lot. Anyone think what it could be. It's not a problem though just wondering it was 30 runs of IBT STABLE!

IBT (Linpack) is the last thing I want to use when shoving high vcore and frequency on quad. Eventough it very fast and handy when detecting error.
An hour blend and small ftt or OCCT is good enough 4 me.
It probably reach 75°c for vcore more than 1.4v like it did to Q6600 that reach 80°c when using Linpack. So it a no no. Lower vcore and clock it doable.

[davidoff619]

but saying that scans great white get to 93 at 4.44 ghz and there is no word of it throttling in cpc review. Have you disabled all the c1 and crap and set the glt voltage as any of these could play havoc try fine tuning. You sound like you know what your doing mate. Keep trying

[SrgtGoat]

Wow great info in this thread! well it's time to retire the old Phenom and try and run with the big boys, so I'm going to throw down some cheeze for a new system this week and I'd really appreciate any input you guys can give me , this is what i was thinking of getting:

silverstone TJ10 case, Ikonik Vulcan 1000 watt, Striker II Extreme, Q9650, G.SKILL GT1 4GB DDR3 PC3 16000, Swiftech Apogee GTZ waterblock, MCP350 pump, 12" rad

2 questions on this, should need the waterblock the chipset and gpu's? and were should i go to get the Yorkfield, a good one (what stepping)?

thanks for your time SG,

[davidoff619]

Wow great info in this thread! well it's time to retire the old Phenom and try and run with the big boys, so I'm going to throw down some cheeze for a new system this week and I'd really appreciate any input you guys can give me , this is what i was thinking of getting:

silverstone TJ10 case, Ikonik Vulcan 1000 watt, Striker II Extreme, Q9650, G.SKILL GT1 4GB DDR3 PC3 16000, Swiftech Apogee GTZ waterblock, MCP350 pump, 12" rad

2 questions on this, should need the waterblock the chipset and gpu's? and were should i go to get the Yorkfield, a good one (what stepping)?

thanks for your time SG,

Well your looking good on the system you won't need board water cooling. I would recommend a comos 1000 case put a rad at the top and cut 2 holes in the side to cool board and grapics. My bro is a welder so he is putting hole in for my 2 silent 12cm fans on monday I'll tell you how it goes. Buy testing seemed to go realy well. Overing take alot of time mate so good look with your build

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Wow great info in this thread! well it's time to retire the old Phenom and try and run with the big boys, so I'm going to throw down some cheeze for a new system this week and I'd really appreciate any input you guys can give me , this is what i was thinking of getting:

silverstone TJ10 case, Ikonik Vulcan 1000 watt, Striker II Extreme, Q9650, G.SKILL GT1 4GB DDR3 PC3 16000, Swiftech Apogee GTZ waterblock, MCP350 pump, 12" rad

2 questions on this, should need the waterblock the chipset and gpu's? and were should i go to get the Yorkfield, a good one (what stepping)?

thanks for your time SG,

your gonna want a 355 not a 350 because the GTZ really wants high flow pressure for great performance. also get an XSPC res top for the pump to get the best performance around.

if you prefer the low noise buy a fuzion v2 instead of the GTZ and stick with the MCP350 and the XSPC res top.

for ram I would go for this CSX diablo here http://www.tankguys.com/memory/ddr3-...hz-memory.html
the tank guys rep was in here the other day said they will be getting a shipment from europe in the next week or 2

[The Mamal]

prime blend..pls no omg wtf bbq 1.5v...lol
batch L826A9xx<forgot...a decent one with one bad sensor.

Thats a nice overclock - wish I could get mine stable at that speed. Im currently running 480x9 - was running 490x9 but would fail prime blend. I was originally stuck at 466 but changing the GTL for the NB got me up to 480. Only running 1.35vcore for 4320Mhz so its not bad. Just wish I could find the magic setting to get to 4.5Ghz.

These E0 chips are amazing - only thing holding them back is my mobo at the moment.

Are people hitting 500 FSB more often on P45 than X48? Im wondering is the Rampage Xtreme would get me any more out of my chip?

[Sparda]

Im currently running 480x9 - was running 490x9 but would fail prime blend. I was originally stuck at 466 but changing the GTL for the NB got me up to 480. Only running 1.35vcore for 4320Mhz so its not bad. Just wish I could find the magic setting to get to 4.5Ghz.

These E0 chips are amazing - only thing holding them back is my mobo at the moment.

Are people hitting 500 FSB more often on P45 than X48? Im wondering is the Rampage Xtreme would get me any more out of my chip?

EP45 Extreme or EP45 DQ6 should do magic with this cpu.
EP45-UD3 is the last thing u want for this quad. Yes it cheap and 500 fsb but there some major crap.
-S3 mode doesnt work after certain clock (Q6600 above 3,6Ghz and Q9650 above 4Ghz)
-single CPU reference only give headache without one thread crapping in prime for high clock.

[SrgtGoat]

Thanks SNiiPE, about the heads up on the flow needed for the GTZ , i think i'll go with the MCP655B, Swiftech says it's quiet, wonder if it really is?

And David , funny thing about the case , the CM cosmos 1000 was my other choice! (i was looking at the dragon paint job) i like the top panel coming off for the rad , but i was wondering about air flow, guess you run the fans up from the case thru the rad but is that air a little hot (or warm ) for going thru the rad?? and that case has a VGA air duct , is that what your cutting the holes for? check this over the top case mod , did it as a joke, but it worked good got half gig more outta my phenom (thats the best i could do with the POS!), running 36c at idle and about 45c full load, 1.4 vcore, but was just to damn LOUD!

any thoughts on were the best chance of getting i good clockable chip or is it a roll of the dice?


thanks guys SG,

[The Mamal]

I think Im through with testing this CPU - Im well happy with the end result - 490x9 = 4410. Spent the whole day testing the stability with prime and all looks good. Got 490FSB stable by adjusting the NB and CPU clock skew. Could push a touch further but cant be bothered!

Its the Best CPU ive had to date.

CPU 1.40
NB 1.45
VTT 1.48
DDR2 980

[bito]

I think Im through with testing this CPU - Im well happy with the end result - 490x9 = 4410. Spent the whole day testing the stability with prime and all looks good. Got 490FSB stable by adjusting the NB and CPU clock skew. Could push a touch further but cant be bothered!

Its the Best CPU ive had to date.

CPU 1.40
NB 1.45
VTT 1.48
DDR2 980

Any template with your complete settings please
Thanks and well done

[The Mamal]

Any template with your complete settings please
Thanks and well done

Thanks mate. I struggled to get over 466 FSB initially - until I changed the GTL settings for the NB. That allowed me to get to 480. I was then found I couldnt prime blend at 490 (system would freeze) until I set the CPU and NB clock skew. Then I found that one core would drop out on prime - until I set the GTL 1 & 3. Now appears totaly stable will prime small fft & blend all day and will be in use at these settings 24/7.

Hope this info helps others.


Processor: Q9560
Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
FSB Frequency: 490
CPU Clock Skew: 200
NB Clock Skew: 100
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-980MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUto
DRAM Timing Control: Auto (Gskil auto config to 5-5-5-15)

Common Performance Level: 10
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled

PCIE Frequency: 100

CPU Voltage: 1.40(actual)
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.50
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.49
DRAM Voltage: 2.10
North Bridge Voltage: 1.45
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1):-55mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3):-55mv
NB GTL Reference: +60mv
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto


CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[Jor3lBR]

until I changed the GTL settings for the NB. That allowed me to get to 480.

Qhat you mean? Isn't that a fixed value? It's always a percentage of the VTT.

[xguntherc]

Wow.. thats pretty Damn extreme for overclocking.

Thats my new favorite picture though.

Also with the Q9650 chips. they are all E0 Stepping. and thats the best you can get. the Q9550's are mostly all E0's but not all. I say get the Q9650. and you can get it from many places.. Frys.com, newegg.com has it on sale right now. they all will sale the E0's because thats all this chip comes with. and the VID is just a roll of the dice. but to be honest. I have not seen ONE Q9650 not be able to hit past 4.0 Ghz with a decent Motherboard. all of them can. I have a "supposed to be" ty eVGA 750i Mobo. everyone says Nvidia boards suck. and I'm stable at 4.205 Ghz with my Q9650. I run 24/7 at 4.0 Ghz with 1.304v and it idles around 33c with my TRUE.

Also get the MCP665.. it's a good pump.

[davidoff619]

Wow.. thats pretty Damn extreme for overclocking.

Thats my new favorite picture though.

Also with the Q9650 chips. they are all E0 Stepping. and thats the best you can get. the Q9550's are mostly all E0's but not all. I say get the Q9650. and you can get it from many places.. Frys.com, newegg.com has it on sale right now. they all will sale the E0's because thats all this chip comes with. and the VID is just a roll of the dice. but to be honest. I have not seen ONE Q9650 not be able to hit past 4.0 Ghz with a decent Motherboard. all of them can. I have a "supposed to be" ty eVGA 750i Mobo. everyone says Nvidia boards suck. and I'm stable at 4.205 Ghz with my Q9650. I run 24/7 at 4.0 Ghz with 1.304v and it idles around 33c with my TRUE.

Also get the MCP665.. it's a good pump.

could you post up your bios setting because mines a 1.25 vid and best I could get 4.2 is

1.37 vcore
Fsb 1.30
Ram 2.15
All the rest highest green voltage
Glt all 85

What am I missing to get my vcore that low my fsb is 1867mhz
If you could help that would be great thanks David