Camp YGPM

Yorkfield has major supply issues, I've been avidly waiting [and a bit ticked today] since early October hypes but we knew it since a while with Intel 45nm being rushed and now into Q2 its become very apparent with very high prices for the few that are available here. Biggest UK retailer, etailer and distributor gave ETA for Q9450 (and likely Q9550): August 2008

I had said a long while back in September that the boasted hype and false desktop [low] price releases were just snakeoil marketing you should ignore until you see them and it was a premature hyped desktop launch to ruin K10 only, while they did not have the goods apart from top bins which they always have fabbed early. We would not see anything but to server and then OEM for a while - and this ETA is worse than you'll see for quite a long time considering no buggy chip. Demand must be poor in retail desktop too, that's because Q6600 G0 is a far superior offering ATM, overclocking better too.

BTW, I think for those playing it is a known issue for a while with Phenom.
Phenom takes a much smaller hit from XP to Vista than Intel C2 based CPUs.
Phenom improves much more from 32b to 64b than Intel C2 based CPUs
So you will see Phenom 9850BE start levelling and beating Q6600 even in Intels highlight benchmarks. If you take 64b into account, Phenom 9850BE at stock beats C2Q Q6600 at stock in Cinebench 10 multi-threaded and the system power full load is also nearly exact, despite 9850BE being much more of a power hog than the 95W models.

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Cheapest mobo for an E2200 I could fine here is ECS P4M900T-M2 for ~35€, E2200 costs ~85€ here. E2200 lacks hardware virtualisation support and that is a feature I won't miss on current cpu's. So i'd need somethin in the price category of an E6550 ~125€. 4x50e chips are easy to get in germany atm. 4850e is listed for 70-74€ (incl. VAT as all my previous mentinoned prices).
http://geizhals.at/?phistgfx=324706&...e=90&width=640
Check 780V, it's even cheaper. EU and US has far better supply than UK or Middle East. I checked the Intel E7200 2.53GHz 45nm 65W out soon but it was £88 cheapest after supplier discount and running at 1.17v.
You speak abbout BE-2400 beeing a 65W chip at 2.5GHz I assume because at 2.3GHz it's a 45W TDP chip.
Sorry, you're right. I meant a 45W max TDP rating for BE-2400 at 2.3G whilst 4850e 2.5G is a same TDP lower binned chip with 200MHz more than BE-2400, yes.

My 2350 was 1.15v 2.1G stock. It clocked to 2.6G max on stock volts, after that required higher volts. Official spec details are as follows:
Code:
Processor: AMD Athlon X2 BE-2350
Clock frequency: 	2.1GHz
L1 Cache: 64K instructions + 64K data per core
L2 Cache: 512 KB per core
Production: 65nm Brisbane, Fab 30 and 36
Quantity of transistors: 221 million
Core area: 118 mm²
Default voltage (Vcore): 1.15-1.20v
Max TDP: 45W
Max current consumption: 36.5A
Max Tcase temperature: From 61°C to 78°C
Min CnQ Frequency: 1.0GHz
Min CnQ Voltage : 1.10v
Max CnQ Current: 22.5A
Max CnQ TDP: 27.7W 

vs.

Processor: AMD Athlon X2 4850e
Clock frequency: 	2.5GHz
L1 Cache: 64K instructions + 64K data per core
L2 Cache: 512 KB per core
Production: 65nm Brisbane, Fab 36 Dresden on 300mm wafers
Quantity of transistors: 221 million
Core area: 118 mm²
Default voltage (Vcore): 1.15/1.20/1.25v
Max TDP: 45 W
Max current consumption: 36.5 A
Max Tcase temperature: 78°C
Min CnQ Frequency: 1.0GHz
Min CnQ Voltage : 1.0v
Max CnQ Current: 15.1A
Max CnQ TDP: 18.1W
How the above differ from the X2 3800+ 2.0GHz 1.025-1.075v EE SFF 35W model is, it needed 1.5v for ~2.6G.
The only difference betwenn our testing setups will be the hd and the cdrom and the mobo branding. Good in therms of physical trials whom should be location independant.
I'll disconnect the CD drive don't worry But yeah, it'll be good to compare ocne again.

Like I said before, when I used a clamp ammeter to measure CPU 12V power, below 25W it was reading weird values and showing inaccuracy. I rechecked the line amps and they were far lower than the ammeter read, from 1.5A to 0.6A. These results are CnQ and CE1 results and it shows a very likely possible error in low end results I've seen and not been able to repeat in some online reviews for a while now. P-Tuner IME is a very accurate DCA tool at low wattages on each rail.