Quote Originally Posted by justapost View Post
Nice that 740G is ~20€ ceaper here that the 780G and still sufficient for office usage. I wait for Asus Barebones like the PUNDIT with an 740G/780G chipset here.
As an alternative to Barebones I have build a machine with an Aerocool M40 Case ~50€ and 780G 75€ and S12 330W ~50€. It's ~50€ more expensive than the Pundith.
740G was not available at that time, will reduce costs to ~150€. Might be over all cheaper than the barebone. In the past nearly all of the barebones required a new psu during lifetime. Bad side that M40 Case has twice the sice of a barebone, so it's abit huge for the desktop.
Yeah I like the build, does me perfect. The case I'm using is an old OEM mATX case smaller than modern mATX cases, very tiny - shipped in K7 days with an OEM PC I purchased. I wanted the low power CPUs [no 35W here], I'll try tweak them to stay very cool (have you been able to tweak CnQ on 2400?). I'm wanting to add no fans apart from HSF at lowest speed and make it a standard, stable, cool, very low power WISE build.

Your EU prices are a little more expensive than were here - but bear in mind I got the stuff through supplier discount or I'd have to pay more than I did.

You know something, AMD 4050e, 4450e, 4850e are in very short supply. All OEMs and SMBs are taking every new batch that comes in to UK distributors within 9-12 noon each day. The prices are like I've never seen on lower end produce.

When I bought it, 4850e, I paid £48 and then 4450e at 9am a few days ago, I paid £40 incl. 17.5% VAT.
There were 23x 4850e, 21x 4450e and 18x 4050e at that time at that supplier. The staff told me OEMs and SMBs had taken other stock on pre-order.
Then I checked 2 hours after, they were all sold out by 12 noon.
Then the supplier changed state to available from non-available at 2.15pm expecting delivery from AMD next morning.
Now the prices were: 4050e £58, 4450e £66 and 4850e £74.
That's roughly £28 above what they should each be on a lowest end product, a lot of price gouging.
I have a few benchmark results here with an BE2400 in the M3A in case you wanna compare. 4850e at 2GHZ/1V pulled max 1.3A here btw, posted a few results in the M3A thread.
I gave my BE-2350 system to a friend a while ago [with HD 3650]. It was perfect for her and she's having a rough patch, being something I got for free, it was no big deal, she liked it. I left it at 1.30v 2.8G, pulled less wattage than 1.35V 2.6G 5000+ BE at stock. They're better binned and have lower current requirements. Compared to Intels offering, they're superior in nearly all aspects; better in perf, price, power and heat. Closest Intel offered is Pentium E2200 65W 2.2 GHz, more expensive and inferior platform for me and yet there's price gouging on the AMD 45W models, so it will get worse unless they can drop price much more. This one of many reviews shows the AMD low end dominating, kinda like top end is Intel dominated. The review also clearly shows how 1GHz HT is much less performance than 1.8GHz HT in Phenom, contrary to uninformed onliner conjectures for a few years now - which they be wrong about in most regards where they don't have actual test products. Difference being, the G35 costs £85 for me compared to the 780G being £50 and the E2200 is £56 compared to 4850e I paid £48 for. New updated WISE build is even better.

Thank you for the results, I'll check them out - comparison is always good to improve and learn
The BE2400 and my 500BE require the same voltage than the 4850e for 3GHz, the 4850e however needs less vcore for 2.5GHz than the BE2400.
I only booted the 4850e twice, it was stock 2.5G at 1.155v with 36.5A max rating.

Transistor count: 221 million
Die Size: 118 mm²
Nominal Voltage: 1.15/1.20/1.25 V
Max Thermal Power: 45W
Max Ambient Case Temp: 78°C
Max Processor Current: 36.5 A
Min P-State: 1.0 GHz
Nominal Voltage @ min P-state: 1.0 V
Max Thermal Power @ min P-state: 18.1 W
Max Current @ min P-state: 15.1A
I can not find specs for the 4xxx chips at the amd site, do you know the differences between the 4450e and the BE2400?
Exact same, the X2 4850e replaces the BE-2400. 256KB L1, 1MB L2, DDR2 800MHz supported but 200MHz higher at the same node with 45W instead of 65W maximum rating. That's the only difference.
Extelleron noted that the Corsair HX 520 has no 18A limit on the 12V1-12V3. That might help on the MSI with only one 4pin connector.
Thanks man. Yeah I know, it doesn't have an OCP on each rail so you can top the limit, that's why, but I didn't get it because there were none free around and I wasn't about to pay for one
Will you get an M2R or an M2RS?
M2R.