Official HD 2900 Discussion Thread

[mascaras]

you can see it in techpowerup review >> http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/HD_2900_XT/


the demo for download I dont know


regards

[STaRGaZeR]

Yeah I know it´s there for view, but someone have it in 1280x720



You can find it in emule, but only 1 source . Hope anybody knows where to download it

[WeaponX]

You can watch it here

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/HD_2900_XT

Edit: whoops sorry, just posted...

[deathman20]

Man I want that the typical Realtime Demo's for download.

[Periander6]

Driver Heaven's Review:

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/...viewz/asus.php

Lots of vista benchmarks in there.

[DilTech]

call of juarez DX10

I wouldn't put stake in those numbers... read the review...

The IQ on the R600 is washed out and applying "filters" that shouldn't be there. Can we say "cheat"?

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/504/2/

Take a look yourself.

btw....
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/431/17/

NVidia's GTX wins in DX10, and the GTS ties the HD 2900XT in this title, and it's being optimized FOR THE HD 2900XT!

[Noobie]

Ruby HD movie - http://www2.ati.com/multimedia/radeo...teout-V1.0.zip
Tesselation HD movie - http://www2.ati.com/multimedia/radeo...ation-V1.0.zip
Source: http://ati.amd.com/developer/demos/rhd2000.html

It is a MOV file BTW. The latest VideoLan plays it fine for me (VideoLan has built in codecs).

The Tesselation movie shows the mountains of the Ruby with and without tesselation. It is pretty amazing to see it, but as with TruForm it will require support from the developers. Let's hope that unlike TruForm this will get mass-support.

[DilTech]

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/?article_id=601352

The R600 really does lose in DX10....

[nn_step]

umm where are the floating point benchmarks?

[v_rr]

I wouldn't put stake in those numbers... read the review...

The IQ on the R600 is washed out and applying "filters" that shouldn't be there. Can we say "cheat"?

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/504/2/

Take a look yourself.

btw....
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/431/17/

NVidia's GTX wins in DX10, and the GTS ties the HD 2900XT in this title, and it's being optimized FOR THE HD 2900XT!

That review has so much credibility has the others have.
And about this:


Clear win in this also.


Both coincide in the Frames per second, so is easy to see that both are OK, the guru3d review is wrong acording with these two.
Image quality is ok in every review. It isn´t needed conspyiracy teory.....

[v_rr]

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/?article_id=601352

The R600 really does lose in DX10....

Can be many things/drivers problems. Besides in the text is said that HD 2900 had munts of bugs runing the game.

This inicial DX_10 games will not show nothing special about DX_10 performance. It´s needed more titles and mores games and benchmarks to say something.

Take conclusions on that for ATI or for NVIDIA side is just being very Biased.....

[DilTech]

That review has so much credibility has the others have.
And about this:


Clear win in this also.


Both coincide in the Frames per second, so is easy to see that both are OK, the guru3d review is wrong acording with these two.
Image quality is ok in every review. It isn´t needed conspyiracy teory.....

Read the article for the numbers you posted.... They say the picture is washed out on the R600, as in there's something wrong with the picture on that card. legitreviews is calling it a win for the G80.

Also, guru3d's numbers show a different tale.

[STaRGaZeR]

Ruby HD movie - http://www2.ati.com/multimedia/radeo...teout-V1.0.zip
Tesselation HD movie - http://www2.ati.com/multimedia/radeo...ation-V1.0.zip
Source: http://ati.amd.com/developer/demos/rhd2000.html

It is a MOV file BTW. The latest VideoLan plays it fine for me (VideoLan has built in codecs).

The Tesselation movie shows the mountains of the Ruby with and without tesselation. It is pretty amazing to see it, but as with TruForm it will require support from the developers. Let's hope that unlike TruForm this will get mass-support.

Thanks a lot man

I was there before, but only the "view" option was available.

[Sumanji]

I dont believe this was allready posted...

That shows that the 8.37.4.2 gives an awesome boost in speed.... but then the 8.37.4.3 (newer?) drivers go back to old rubbish speeds again?!

[mascaras]

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/?article_id=601352

The R600 really does lose in DX10....

LOL in the other review because you dont like the numbers Its fAKE or they cheat


this pcgameshardwre.de numbers you like so its not FAKE and its the real thing (btw: if that its the real thing so 8800GTX not so good in DX10 because have the same FPS that 8800GTS , so ppl who want a card for future DX10 games should buy GTS and not GTX )





we already know you like 8800GTX and 8800GTX its better then X2900

you didnt realise yet that x2900 compete with 8800GTS 640mb not with 8800GTX???

Sapphire X2900XT in portugal = 375 euros

8800GTS 640mb in portgal = 399 euros

8800GTX in portugal = 550 euros


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[ownage]

That shows that the 8.37.4.2 gives an awesome boost in speed.... but then the 8.37.4.3 (newer?) drivers go back to old rubbish speeds again?!

It means the card CAN do it, it just need some driver spanking
I think its weird the 8.37.4.3 are slower, but at least we know the card CAN do it, so we have to wait for proper drivers!

G90 is delayed, so ATI should have time enough to tweak the drivers, and release a refresh in Q3.

[deathman20]

That shows that the 8.37.4.2 gives an awesome boost in speed.... but then the 8.37.4.3 (newer?) drivers go back to old rubbish speeds again?!

Damn I missed that the first time I looked at it. Huge driver issues.

[Sumanji]

I think its weird the 8.37.4.3 are slower, but at least we know the card CAN do it, so we have to wait for proper drivers!

What if the results are a freak accident due to some driver error, or incorrect/poor quality rendering? Surely there's a reason the "improvements" got pulled from the newer release?

I'm not trying to antagonise you, I really want this card to rock, but I think it's unrealistic to expect miracle boosts from newer drivers. Take the performance at face value today... any increase in the future will then be a pleasant surprise

[DilTech]

LOL in the other review because you dont like the numbers Its fAKE or they cheat


this pcgameshardwre.de numbers you like so its not FAKE and its the real thing


right .....

Didn't call it fake. I stated that the article says the IQ is questionable on the HD 2900XT in that review. They have screenshots to show it, and gave the win to the 8800 anyway. I didn't call them out on it, legitreviews did. Infact, in the conclusion they specifically say they'd like an explanation from AMD or NVidia on what happened with the HD 2900's IQ.

we already know you like 8800GTX and 8800GTX its better then X2900

you didnt realise yet that x2900 compete with 8800GTS 640mb not with 8800GTX???

Oh, I realize that's how it's "suppose" to be. In reality though, in the high-end, it's one companies top-tier against the others. People compared the x1800 against the 7800GTX 512mb even though the price difference was huge, no?

Sapphire X2900XT in portugal = 375 euros

8800GTS 640mb in portgal = 399 euros

8800GTX in portugal = 550 euros


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The price difference isn't nearly as large here... $100 difference on newegg between the cheapest HD 2900XT and 8800GTX.

Get this though, there's an $80 difference between the cheapest HD 2900xt and 8800GTS 640mb on newegg at the same time. $100 difference if you count the $20 MIR.

So, that makes the price gap identical from the 8800GTS 640 to the HD 2900XT, and going from the HD 2900XT to the 8800GTX...

Honestly though, I'm hoping AMD can get the R650 out the gates, and quick. With them not having the mid-range ready for atleast another month, and them really not being a clear decisive winner over the 8800GTS 640, they're going to be in a rather sizable amount of trouble if they don't pull a rabbit out of their hat quick. Even driverheaven said flat out that they "Cannot recommend this card.".

[ownage]

What if the results are a freak accident due to some driver error, or incorrect/poor quality rendering? Surely there's a reason the "improvements" got pulled from the newer release?

I'm not trying to antagonise you, I really want this card to rock, but I think it's unrealistic to expect miracle boosts from newer drivers. Take the performance at face value today... any increase in the future will then be a pleasant surprise

I had to laugh about your post heheh
Could be, who knows. If i would have the card, i would test it and tell you
In this matter i think it can be, because the drivers are much less mature then we used to get at a new launch. For example, dvd playback is horrible at the moment, twice as slow then a X1950XTX (cant find the review anymore :S).

[v_rr]

The price difference isn't nearly as large here... $100 difference on newegg between the cheapest HD 2900XT and 8800GTX.

Get this though, there's an $80 difference between the cheapest HD 2900xt and 8800GTS 640mb on newegg at the same time. $100 difference if you count the $20 MIR.

So, that makes the price gap identical from the 8800GTS 640 to the HD 2900XT, and going from the HD 2900XT to the 8800GTX...

Black box from Valve in retail cost 40$ so do the Math again, because HD 2900 have it for free.

Even driverheaven said flat out that they "Cannot recommend this card.".

And 10 other reviwes don´t said that. So why should anyone beleave on that guy in specific

[eXceeded]

Black box from Valve in retail cost 40$ so do the Math again, because HD 2900 have it for free.



And 10 other reviwes don´t said that. So why should anyone beleave on that guy in specific :slap:

The guys over at DriverHeaven.Net are very reputable and have been long supporters of ATI in general... so....

[DilTech]

Black box from Valve in retail cost 40$ so do the Math again, because HD 2900 have it for free.



And 10 other reviwes don´t said that. So why should anyone beleave on that guy in specific

Most cards come with a free game, never before have people considered it money off the card, they've always just considered it a gift for buying said card.

I know my card came with dark messiah, which was also $40 when I bought the card.

[Sumanji]

I had to laugh about your post heheh

I hope you were laughing in a nice way

I too think there will definitely be large performance boosts in upcoming drivers, but there seems to be a lot of people out there who have the impression it will leave the GTS in the dirt and maybe even topple the GTX in more games. This clearly won't be the case; at least not at stock clocks!!

Suman

[Gnome]

AMD should ban crack from their driver team and start feading them meth coz right now it's just not good enough.