Define the XtremeSystems Liquid Cooling Community...

[nikhsub1]

I don't think any one thing defines it - it is ever evolving. For the long timers who have been here for ~4-5 years have seen this evolution. In the beginning it was about eeking every last bit at any cost (was always my goal), everything else be damned. As time has progressed, new products arrive and old stereotypes get disproven. For me personally I am more about the notion of great performance with little noise. The latest trend here at XS seems to be a contest as to who can be the most outrageous with the silliest gear and spend the most money. Some folks go against logic and all that was learned over the last 5 years just to try to be extreme. Anyway, that's my .02

[2k7zero]

I came here on recommendation from another guy on a different forum because I just couldn't get any help there on liquid cooling. I personally believe that when a newcomer comes for advice on a build guys here will put some much pressure on this and that, that it's hard to make definite decisions for some newcomers.

[IanY]

I just proclaimed today to be:
"National Be Nice to One Another" Day..
So at least try guys and have fun here..
Thanks.
Dave the old fart..

Point noted, but at least I didn't swing. However, I'm only going to allow X number of cheap shots before I swing. At times, I may turn my cheek, but I don't exactly offer myself as some sacrificial lamb .. aka punching bag.. for the sake of civility.

[Movieman]

Point noted, but at least I didn't swing. However, I'm only going to allow X number of cheap shots before I swing. At times, I may turn my cheek, but I don't exactly offer myself as some sacrificial lamb .. aka punching bag.. for the sake of civility.

I know and understand but at the risk of losing a friendship I have to say that don't take everything so personal.
Cripes, if you saw the harassment I take from day 2 n00bies over in WCG you'd cringe.
I take it all in stride and laugh.
To me the most important thing about the forum is first that it be civil, second, to try and be friendly, 3rd, dump the ego when one enters, and fourth, if all of the above can be done, learn and share what you know.
If there's a particular person that makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up and you want to take him out and beat the living crap out of him, then put him on your ignore list. I did that with one guy that I just couldn't stand. Spewed meaningless drivel and a pure troll.My point is, deal with the issue so that it doesn't eat one up.
Life is too frigging short and filled with too many real world problems to let things in a forum get to you.
Now, having said all that publicly, will you still do lunch with me?
Dave

[septim]

- Awesome traffic which translates into plenty of fresh content almost hourly (very true, if the other party is not asleep)

- High maturity level (with relaxed fun sarcastic and witty comments a plenty)

main motto is effecient performance that works of course, then more case,wire and bling management, then post tons of picts so we can all share the tips and tricks that we put into our rigs...

[IanY]

Lunch! What's for lunch

I'm not the only person that has been having trouble. I can name a list of individuals. Exactly about half my friends have packed it in and had it with XS.

[Movieman]

Lunch! What's for lunch

I'm not the only person that has been having trouble. I can name a list of individuals. Exactly about half my friends have packed it in and had it with XS.

How about Japanese food?
A shame on the friends and I mean that..

[IanY]

I'm game ! And I'm buying !

And about the friends, I have tried.. but I cannot find a logical response to "why bother?" I am about the last person capable of convincing them that all is nice and quiet. I myself appear to have become the favored target board of the month. The common comment/question is "why do you subject yourself to that?"

[Dark Prodigy]

Mk, lets begin...

I haven't been here on these forums very long, but I've been an enthusiast/hobbyist for quite a while now. I browsed her for a bit before I decided to join and contribute to the knowledge/experience base here. And there are some here with plenty to give. I've even stated it in a few of my posts.

However, I've noticed a very low tolerance for anything that isn't reccomended by the few knowledgeable people here or what brand has a presence on these forums (D-tek, Swiftec, Thermochill, Ek). Take a look at a "I need help with a new watercooling build" thread one day, EVERYONE reccomends the EXACT SAME THING for ANY build, regardless of the type of requests made.

Take a look at the galleries one day. The builds might as well be carbon cpies of each other. It is UTTERLY boring. I know what the build has in it before I see the pictures. There's no personality other than what the concensus is. There isn't an individual among you.

"Welcome to the club, now buy a D-Tek FuZion CPU block, a Thermochill radiator, use 100% distilled water, use nothing less than 7/16" tubing, and an EK block for your 8800 so we won't flame you =D"

Ugh, how boring.

Am I saying the parts reccomended are bad? NO. Am I saying there should be more bling to people's reccomendations and builds? Don't even try it. What I am saying is that I seriously doubt if everyone on these forums reccomending these parts on a daily basis have tried every single performance part on the market to reccomend only what I stated above.

If I were a n00b and was coming to these forums without any other knowledge whatsoever, I would have NEVER heard of companies like Innovatek, Alpha Cool, Aqua Computer, Flow, MIPS, XSPC, Silverprop, AquaExtreme....and quite a few more.
Its just as bad as everyone at [H] recommending Velocity Micro for anyone looking for a prebuilt a while back. Those here that are familiar with [H] knows what I'm talking about.

All I'm saying is that I'd like to see an expansion of knowledge and open-mindedness about liquid cooling on these forums, and other forums as well. Its more of the same where ever you go, just differing opions on what is best.

I know many will take it personal and will think of this as a flame attack, but its simply an honest opinion, answering the OP (of whom I think started this because of my other thread). Maybe a few of you can actually accept what I'm saying and see things from the outside.

[Grinch]

Mk, lets begin...

I haven't been here on these forums very long, but I've been an enthusiast/hobbyist for quite a while now. I browsed her for a bit before I decided to join and contribute to the knowledge/experience base here. And there are some here with plenty to give. I've even stated it in a few of my posts.

However, I've noticed a very low tolerance for anything that isn't reccomended by the few knowledgeable people here or what brand has a presence on these forums (D-tek, Swiftec, Thermochill, Ek). Take a look at a "I need help with a new watercooling build" thread one day, EVERYONE reccomends the EXACT SAME THING for ANY build, regardless of the type of requests made.

Take a look at the galleries one day. The builds might as well be carbon cpies of each other. It is UTTERLY boring. I know what the build has in it before I see the pictures. There's no personality other than what the concensus is. There isn't an individual among you.

"Welcome to the club, now buy a D-Tek FuZion CPU block, a Thermochill radiator, use 100% distilled water, use nothing less than 7/16" tubing, and an EK block for your 8800 so we won't flame you =D"

Ugh, how boring.

Am I saying the parts reccomended are bad? NO. Am I saying there should be more bling to people's reccomendations and builds? Don't even try it. What I am saying is that I seriously doubt if everyone on these forums reccomending these parts on a daily basis have tried every single performance part on the market to reccomend only what I stated above.

If I were a n00b and was coming to these forums without any other knowledge whatsoever, I would have NEVER heard of companies like Innovatek, Alpha Cool, Aqua Computer, Flow, MIPS, XSPC, Silverprop, AquaExtreme....and quite a few more.
Its just as bad as everyone at [H] recommending Velocity Micro for anyone looking for a prebuilt a while back. Those here that are familiar with [H] knows what I'm talking about.

All I'm saying is that I'd like to see an expansion of knowledge and open-mindedness about liquid cooling on these forums, and other forums as well. Its more of the same where ever you go, just differing opions on what is best.

I know many will take it personal and will think of this as a flame attack, but its simply an honest opinion, answering the OP (of whom I think started this because of my other thread). Maybe a few of you can actually accept what I'm saying and see things from the outside.

I think the reason you see alot of the same items mentioned over & over is because they work...and they work well. That's why there is a sticky covering most of these items that nobody seems to want to read

[serialk11r]

Mk, lets begin...

I haven't been here on these forums very long, but I've been an enthusiast/hobbyist for quite a while now. I browsed her for a bit before I decided to join and contribute to the knowledge/experience base here. And there are some here with plenty to give. I've even stated it in a few of my posts.

However, I've noticed a very low tolerance for anything that isn't reccomended by the few knowledgeable people here or what brand has a presence on these forums (D-tek, Swiftec, Thermochill, Ek). Take a look at a "I need help with a new watercooling build" thread one day, EVERYONE reccomends the EXACT SAME THING for ANY build, regardless of the type of requests made.

Take a look at the galleries one day. The builds might as well be carbon cpies of each other. It is UTTERLY boring. I know what the build has in it before I see the pictures. There's no personality other than what the concensus is. There isn't an individual among you.

"Welcome to the club, now buy a D-Tek FuZion CPU block, a Thermochill radiator, use 100% distilled water, use nothing less than 7/16" tubing, and an EK block for your 8800 so we won't flame you =D"

Ugh, how boring.

Am I saying the parts reccomended are bad? NO. Am I saying there should be more bling to people's reccomendations and builds? Don't even try it. What I am saying is that I seriously doubt if everyone on these forums reccomending these parts on a daily basis have tried every single performance part on the market to reccomend only what I stated above.

If I were a n00b and was coming to these forums without any other knowledge whatsoever, I would have NEVER heard of companies like Innovatek, Alpha Cool, Aqua Computer, Flow, MIPS, XSPC, Silverprop, AquaExtreme....and quite a few more.
Its just as bad as everyone at [H] recommending Velocity Micro for anyone looking for a prebuilt a while back. Those here that are familiar with [H] knows what I'm talking about.

All I'm saying is that I'd like to see an expansion of knowledge and open-mindedness about liquid cooling on these forums, and other forums as well. Its more of the same where ever you go, just differing opions on what is best.

I know many will take it personal and will think of this as a flame attack, but its simply an honest opinion, answering the OP (of whom I think started this because of my other thread). Maybe a few of you can actually accept what I'm saying and see things from the outside.

Wait, but what exactly is there that is worth buying besides thermochill/swiftech/hwlabs(in some cases)/coolingworks, swiftech/d-tek, etc? I agree though, the builds and stuff (although pretty looking) are getting a little boring...well you can't blame people, most people wouldn't bother putting work into modding their cases or something of the sort.

My opinion of the watercooling section...90% newbie help threads and other stuff I could care less about, 5% dumb question threads, 5% other.

[Movieman]

I'm game ! And I'm buying !

And about the friends, I have tried.. but I cannot find a logical response to "why bother?" I am about the last person capable of convincing them that all is nice and quiet. I myself appear to have become the favored target board of the month. The common comment/question is "why do you subject yourself to that?"

You might not say that when you see what I can put down in one sitting.
IF there are problems,take an approach to try and work out differences in PM's with those involved.
I'm back to the "Life is too short" thought. I come here to enjoy myself with people with like interests and to learn and once in a while to help someone with my meager knowledge.
That last part I really enjoy. I take so much from here that when I can give back I sort of overdo it.
I think I kiled one guys cell battery..

[IanY]

There's no personality other than what the concensus is. There isn't an individual among you.

Heh.. I'm Mr. Anti-Consesus I do have an affinity for Swiftech equipment, but other than that, I would go to bat against any other brand.

[i found nemo]

I seen a new thread:" New to water, can you help" and next thing you see is 20-100 replies with GOOD suggestions and answers to questions so that person is steered in the proper direction and doesn't waste money buying the wrong parts.

lol was that my thread?

[IanY]

Wait, but what exactly is there that is worth buying besides thermochill/swiftech/hwlabs(in some cases)/coolingworks, swiftech/d-tek, etc?

Thermaltake, Zalman, Coolermaster, Corsair, Gigabyte, Sapphire, Ultra, Aspire lol

[nikhsub1]

Take a look at the galleries one day. The builds might as well be carbon cpies of each other. It is UTTERLY boring. I know what the build has in it before I see the pictures. There's no personality other than what the concensus is. There isn't an individual among you.

OMGWTFBBQ!!!!!!1111oneoneoneoneeleveneleven I so agree with you. Let's reminisce shall we?

2003 - First Silver block:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=19877

2003/2004 - First MM cube case (this was 1 of 10 of the first run ever built):
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=16689

2004 - First powdercoated MM and first 'Thermochill 120.3 MM:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=40203

First to use an RD-30:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=48533

First ever to hit 5Ghz on Water cooling:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=62896

2005 - First GREEN MM :
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=82060

2006 - First to make delrin/acrylic tube style reservoirs:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=88333
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=94010
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=101325

2006 - First to DITCH the RD-30 in favor of DDC's:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=101005

2006 - First to use a 20 INCH fan for complete case cooling!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=112655

So as you can see, they all want to be me! ROFL.

[mjassbong]

I've been watercooling since NV 6800 but could not have done it without the valuable resources from XS Watercooling. The reasons I keep coming back is the high level of watercooling knowledge here, the maturity level (most of the times ), and the constant curiosity of any updates or changes in the watercooling world/community.

I think XS is still the leader of the pack in watercooling is the reasons I've given above.

[Grinch]

OMGWTFBBQ!!!!!!1111oneoneoneoneeleveneleven I so agree with you. Let's reminisce shall we?

2003 - First Silver block:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=19877

2003/2004 - First MM cube case (this was 1 of 10 of the first run ever built):
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=16689

2004 - First powdercoated MM and first 'Thermochill 120.3 MM:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=40203

First to use an RD-30:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=48533

First ever to hit 5Ghz on Water cooling:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=62896

2005 - First GREEN MM :
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=82060

2006 - First to make delrin/acrylic tube style reservoirs:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=88333
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=94010
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=101325

2006 - First to DITCH the RD-30 in favor of DDC's:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=101005

2006 - First to use a 20 INCH fan for complete case cooling!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=112655

So as you can see, they all want to be me! ROFL.

my hero!

[NaeKuh]

I think the reason you see alot of the same items mentioned over & over is because they work...and they work well. That's why there is a sticky covering most of these items that nobody seems to want to read

+1

the reason why everyone recomends the same parts, is because they do work for almost any application.

Given true, no one knew your exact objectives, but for each system there is a basic mold in which you need.

Pump: i dont care what system your running, this is one of the most important pieces.

Radiator: Same goes with the radiator, everyone recomends PA120 series, because THEY work, and also because for noise/perofrmance raitio, there unmatched.

CPU blocks: Okey, i dont always recomend the fusion. I will look at your budget and recomend accordingly. If your running a AMD, i would recomend a storm and you hack the IHS off instead. So if the OP is running the same eq as 80% of the members on this forum, whats wrong with what the 80% recomends?


This forum is a good step tool for people to find out what they made mistakes on, and to find people who thought of solutions for tricky situations.

IE. My MCW30 on the SB 680i. Remember, people were thinkn of ways to mount this b4 the hardmount came out. And it was only after showing gabe 5 different hard mount pictures and scenario's that he actually saw the light, and released it.


ANother great thing about this forum:

We have:
Alex - Petrastechshop owner,
Cathar + Marci = Vendors, well more marci, but cathar has a lot to do with thermochill and the storm series blocks.
AquaPC = AquaPC rep if you need it.
Gabe = Swiftech owner

All under one forum. Not many forums can brag about there vendor collection.

Also BlackICE has made an account. And Jab-tech has an account as well.

So with this many people in 1 forum, which forum would be better?

[IanY]

Come on.. Wasserkuhlung Vollsortimenter of Aquatuning.de had the Cape Bullseye in aluminum in early 2005. Alphacool must have stolen your design ideas.

You don't think that there's any self-edification there.. not that I really care. You are the champ!

[NaeKuh]

OMGWTFBBQ!!!!!!1111oneoneoneoneeleveneleven I so agree with you. Let's reminisce shall we?

So as you can see, they all want to be me! ROFL.

scott, you got sigged. LOL

[ranker]

However, I've noticed a very low tolerance for anything that isn't reccomended by the few knowledgeable people here or what brand has a presence on these forums (D-tek, Swiftec, Thermochill, Ek). Take a look at a "I need help with a new watercooling build" thread one day, EVERYONE reccomends the EXACT SAME THING for ANY build, regardless of the type of requests made.

Take a look at the galleries one day. The builds might as well be carbon cpies of each other. It is UTTERLY boring. I know what the build has in it before I see the pictures. There's no personality other than what the concensus is. There isn't an individual among you.

So for the sake of originality, one should recommend a subpar configuration to be purchased? You would find it ethical to recommend someone a component when you know there's another component that is not only cheaper but performs better? How would you find that ethical? There are people who come to these forums on a tight budget, state what they're looking for and hope they're going to be receiving legitimate advice.

You're implying that for the sake of "originality", those seeking help should be misled? Most people come to this forum to seek a means to an end, not to exhibit their personality through dressing up their computer with different components. I can express my originality through my own means without having to express/force it upon others looking for solid advice. I'd be livid if someone recommended me Innovatek when I was clueless only to find out their products were beaten by another company... at a cheaper price!



The funny thing is that most on this forum can agree: if for some reason, Thermaltake decides to put out a product that tears a new one into Thermochill/Swiftech/D-Tek/Ek/Laing by beating them in performance, we'd be quick to sing a new tune in praise of Thermaltake.

There's plenty of ways to express one's own individuality, but it shouldn't come at the expense of someone seeking help.

[YugenM]

I just proclaimed today to be:
"National Be Nice to One Another" Day..
So at least try guys and have fun here..
Thanks.
Dave the old fart..

You're not old.

But maybe Japanese people have a different idea of what "old" constitutes...

So anyways, let's get back on topic:

My first foray into watercooling and forums from a MaximumPC ad (picked that magazine up at a stand just from sheer curiosity) for a Thermaltake BigWater, and an article in that same magazine by the guy who runs [H]. At the time, I didn't know that the BigWater was a piece of sht, but the ad served its purpose, and within the month, I was asking about on [H] about Danger Den, Swiftech, etc...

This was two years ago.

Back then, I regarded XS as sacred ground only experienced people had the right to tread on, so I didn't even dare to lurk here.

Eventually, I developed a taste for German stuff, and decided to come here, because of its global nature and how the Europeans may be contributing info on Euro stuff, while we North Americans contribute info on North American stuff. Also, unlike [H], there are no annoying IntelliTXT or NewEgg banners at the top of the forum page, and you don't have to pay to access certain subforums (unless a similar tiered structure exists here which I'm not aware of)

In short, I was hoping this would be a half-way forum to a full-fledged Euro forum, such as EffizienzGurus, which I cannot surf because I cannot read German.

While I have been enjoying my stay here while slowly trying to learn German, this forum also has its shortcomings. While this forum seems to be much better in terms of maturity, it has its fair share of arseholes. On top of that, there are the nitpickers, the aluminum gestapo, etc...

Examples of what I believe should define XtremeSystems:
labrat23's RAM blocks
Solarfall's DDC pump top mod
silverphoenix's MOSFET block
DataNusse's self-built case
Misc. test results posted here

What I see instead:
cookie-cutter builds of multiple Thermochills, one of three best performing blocks for a given application, and overkill pump(s) in a U2-UFO.

Mind you, I'm only speaking for this particular subforum.

[IanY]

The funny thing is that most on this forum can agree: if for some reason, Thermaltake decides to put out a product that tears a new one into Thermochill/Swiftech/D-Tek/Ek/Laing by beating them in performance, we'd be quick to sing a new tune in praise of Thermaltake.

Err.. you lost me there, buddy

[phelan1777]

What is/makes XS.

Based on my experiences I have come to see this as a community not really different then my friends I grew up with in that we have our differences of opinions and experiences though we have a common interest and share what we know for the entertainment/enjoyment and furthering of our interests and what we enjoy, tied into that is the type of people often sharing in that common bond and each has his/her own quirks, which makes us unique as each here.

First and foremost NO ONE can please everyone, its, well impossible.

Yes there are experts, and "legends", not to discredit their knowledge but life has taught me one thing. Experience is the best teacher.

I came into XS looking for information on water cooling as I know Air was not enough for getting a decent stable OC with newer hardware and I wanted to see what was the best of the best in terms of performance for a 24/7 OC and stability. I found it and then some.

I have met a number of xtremely crazy, intelligent, dedicated, and the occasional odd ball person here on XS, and a few in real life as well.

If viewed with no bias or not in a negative light XS can be a great place to frequent and enjoy what and who is here. That is a matter of perspective as other forums have their plus and minus and I am sure there are those that would say a number of negative things about XS.