Llano in the house... (as Charged :-) )

[CureDMan]

Hi, The Stilt! There will be new patched BIOS 1501 for ASUS F1A75-V PRO from you? Thanks for that!

[The Stilt]

Changes:

AGESA V1.1.0.3 >> V1.1.0.4
Microcode: 03000014 (05/23/2011) >> 03000027 (09/13/2011).
Realtek 8111E ROM: V2.43 >> V2.44
Sumo VBIOS: Newest version available
Support for "HX"

Added the usual "APU Northbridge Configuration" menu for Bank & Channel Interleaving controls.

Please check the PCB revision of the board before updating:

Revision number can be found under the primary x16 PCI-E slot, near the model name silk screening.

If your board is anything else than a retail (press sample, CAL, EVT board) and the revision number is either 1.00, 1.01, 1.02 use the R1.02 EVT bios version. Otherwise the board will not post after the bios update. These boards usually do not have a Asus S/N label and there is "GPU Boost" text silk screening on the PCB (left from the first memory slot).

Retail boards with revision 1.02 PCB should work fine with the normal bios.

For retail (1.02, 1.03 revision boards)

Asus F1A75-M PRO 1501M-TSSW
Asus F1A75-M PRO CSM 0601M-TSSW

For non-retail (1.00, 1.01, 1.02 revision boards)

Asus F1A75-M PRO 1501 R1.02-EVT
Asus F1A75-M PRO CSM 0601 R1.02-EVT

I will make similar bioses for F1A75-V PRO and EVO too, maybe tomorrow.

[The Stilt]

Asus F1A75-V EVO 1301M-TSSW

Asus F1A75-V PRO 1501M-TSSW

[CureDMan]

Which command line parameters should be used to flash this BIOS under DOS? And which version of afudos? I'm afraid of using afuwin.

[The Stilt]

Which command line parameters should be used to flash this BIOS under DOS? And which version of afudos? I'm afraid of using afuwin.

"/p /b /n /k /e /me" will cover everything.
In case the blocks do not excist the excess commands will be ignored.

[Miwo]

what is the wink for "Support HX" ?

Man I have really been on the fence. I know FM1 is pretty much dead with Trinity being on FM2, but I am so tempted to pick up one of these Asus boards to mess around with. Any idea why Asus boards have higher DPC latency than Gigabyte FM1 boards ? (According to Anands last review on F1A75-V EVO vs UD4H)

[The Stilt]

what is the wink for "Support HX" ?

Man I have really been on the fence. I know FM1 is pretty much dead with Trinity being on FM2, but I am so tempted to pick up one of these Asus boards to mess around with. Any idea why Asus boards have higher DPC latency than Gigabyte FM1 boards ? (According to Anands last review on F1A75-V EVO vs UD4H)

HX is the "new" Llano.

I am using Asus F1A75-M PRO with the latest bios.
DPC Latency checker shows "absolute maximum" latency of 205µs after 10 minutes (running 5 Firefox tabs, Messenger, Email, Winamp).

The original Asus bioses are using a very old microcode.
I updated the microcode to the newest version (the same which Gigabyte uses).
Maybe thats the reason.

[Miwo]

Anand tests were showing the Gigabyte at around 170us , and thats pretty much within error of what you are getting. By comparison the EVO they were testing was getting around 400us~ on average. Now I see no reason to go in favor of the UD4H :p

I am assuming HX is a new stepping of Llano, as all current B0 ones have GX ending on the part number. Will the fabled 3870k unlocked be an HX chip, even though early part numbers are showing it as B0/GX? Any idea when these "HX" Llanos will actually hit the market... ? It seems we have been waiting forever

oh btw do you work for Asus? Thanks again Stilt for all the hard work you put into helping the community

[The Stilt]

Anand tests were showing the Gigabyte at around 170us , and thats pretty much within error of what you are getting. By comparison the EVO they were testing was getting around 400us~ on average. Now I see no reason to go in favor of the UD4H :p

I am assuming HX is a new stepping of Llano, as all current B0 ones have GX ending on the part number. Will the fabled 3870k unlocked be an HX chip, even though early part numbers are showing it as B0/GX? Any idea when these "HX" Llanos will actually hit the market... ? It seems we have been waiting forever

oh btw do you work for Asus? Thanks again Stilt for all the hard work you put into helping the community

HX is the new version, however I am not certain if even the CPUID (stepping) is going to change...
Sometimes there are changes made even the stepping remains the same.

I would imagine the HX parts will be available in Q4/2011 - Q1/2012, a large margin I know.

And no, I am not working for Asus.

[The Stilt]

LN2-B0.
I am not certain if this actually is a native dual core part with three (240) SIMDs instead of the five (400) found in LN1-B0.

I like the LN2 part thou

[zir_blazer]

LN2-B0.
I am not certain if this actually is a native dual core part with three (240) SIMDs instead of the five (400) found in LN1-B0.

I agree that I'm expecting AMD to do a Dual Core part at some point for the cheaper models like A4-3300 and 3400, however, the lowest common denominator is 160 Shaders and 512 KB Cache L2 per Core, they can get away with that.
I also don't agree on the potential Revision name. From the time the K8 system was introduced, seeing the number that takes the third character is usually quite rare so is hard to find it a meaning. The first two letters seems to correspond to a "family" of Cores that shares specifications, for example, Newcastles were DH-CG, Winchesters DH-D0, Venices DH-E3 and DH-E6, and they all shared being a Single Core with 512 KB Cache L2. The last two letters or letter and number are Silicon Revision. The rogue number, however, could potentially point to the process node. For example, the few parts that I see in that list (That though it has several mistakes, is the most prominent one on top of google results so the most readily available) with a 7, like Clawhammers SH7-C0, SH7-CG and Newcastles DH7-CG, are all 130nm parts, while the parts with the 8, like Winchesters DH8-D0 or San Diegos SH8-E4, are 90nm. Actually, if you take that 9 = 65nm, 0 = 45nm and 1 = 32nm, Llano surprisingly fits. K10 didn't deviated a lot from that system but the new Revision prefixes were all new at the time, as is in the case of Llano. If anything, a Dual Core Llano should be something like xx1-B0.

That the HX surfix on the OPN refers to such a new physical Dual Core part is possible. However, there are many times that AMD released some parts with a different surfix with no explanation. I recall being puzzled for some time because there was a A64X2 3600+ Brisbane BH-G1 with OPN ADO3600IAA5DL that didn't matched the DD surfix of all others Brisbanes BH-G1, including same model ADO3600IAA5DD. So far I never recall hearing what the difference is, but the DL part was available and the DD I think only saw as OPN on lists and never with a proper Heatspreader pic.
On other parts the surfix difference was appreciable: There was an OEM only A64 3400+ for Socket 939 (Newcastle DH-CG, ADA3400DEP4AZ), that shared all the specs of the normal A64 3500+ (Newcastle DH-CG, ADA3500DEP4AW) but one: The Hyper Transport Link was 800 MHz, as S754, instead of 1 GHz like other S939 parts. The AZ surfix made that difference, while AW was the standard for other Newcastles parts. That model also had two Venice variants (E3 and E6) that also had a different surfix, BY and BZ, compared to standard BP and BW.
Did I mention the earlier Winchester based Sempron 64 (The earlier ones didn't had x86-64 enabled) that had a different OPN surfix for the Retail BOX version than the Processor that came inside it, that had the same OPN than non-64 Bits capable parts, and the only way to differenciate it was due to an X or Y (For Palermos E3 and E6, or the other way around) in the Serial Number? Oh, the memories...

[tbone8ty]

cant wait for 3870k and 3670k unlocked parts! ( i saw a pre-order rumor floating around today)...wanna get one for testing...been holding off on a 3850 for one...hopefully they updated stepping and they clock well.

want to pair it with a ASUS F1A75-M PRO

[imamage]

Hello there,

I just wonder have anyone tried to have Llano (APU) Integrated Graphic to have Multi-monitor out at the same time
I can only get HDMI / DVI and D-Sub display out but not HDMI and DVI together

My HD5570 and HD6450 graphic card can output up to three monitor at the same time *(Eyefinity @ HDMI + DVI + D-Sub)
I tried to look up spec sheet in AMD website but nothing mentioned about "Eyefinity support" with APU
http://support.amd.com/us/Processor_...Series_PDS.pdf

Can anyone with Llano and have mulit-monitor try if see it's just my problem or APU doesn't support Eyefinity

[Miwo]

noticed some new Asus bios on their site for F1A75-V Pro and others. Updated around end of November/December.
Do these add support for the 3670k? it does not say on their website, nor mentions anything about support of this part. Only the 3870k is listed as supported. Planning on getting an F1A75-V Pro for upcoming unlocked Llano rig...

Any ideas?
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD..._PRO/#download

[The Stilt]

None of the Asus boards currently support unlocked Llano parts as the GPU overclock function in bios is still broken.
They work but the SCLK cannot be adjusted.

[Miwo]

Thanks! So more BIOS updates to come.... hope they fix that soon.
From the looks of it the unlocked parts will be here next week according to ShopBLT inventory.

Really itching to upgrade my Phenom II x3 720 that I've been on for the past 2 years

[filmbot]

Stilt, can you tell me why my chip is throttling as soon as it's put under load, not even up to high temp yet (less then 50C)? It's not throttling via multi either, it drops FSB from 145 to about 142-143, chip is running on Gigabyte A75-UD4H and have all the power saving features turned off.

Sorry if there is a super obvious answer but just curious.

[tbone8ty]

Hello there,

I just wonder have anyone tried to have Llano (APU) Integrated Graphic to have Multi-monitor out at the same time
I can only get HDMI / DVI and D-Sub display out but not HDMI and DVI together

My HD5570 and HD6450 graphic card can output up to three monitor at the same time *(Eyefinity @ HDMI + DVI + D-Sub)
I tried to look up spec sheet in AMD website but nothing mentioned about "Eyefinity support" with APU
http://support.amd.com/us/Processor_...Series_PDS.pdf

Can anyone with Llano and have mulit-monitor try if see it's just my problem or APU doesn't support Eyefinity

I think the dvi and hdmi run on the same "channel" so it only supports dual monitors with vga. The mobo would have to have a display port for eyefinity.

I could be wrong but this is how it was with my 890gx mobo

[The Stilt]

Stilt, can you tell me why my chip is throttling as soon as it's put under load, not even up to high temp yet (less then 50C)? It's not throttling via multi either, it drops FSB from 145 to about 142-143, chip is running on Gigabyte A75-UD4H and have all the power saving features turned off.

Sorry if there is a super obvious answer but just curious.

Throttling is never done by lowering the BCLK ("FSB") so this is not throttling.
Unless of course you are using the Easy Tune software which could do such thing.
If you are not using "ET", it is probably a glitch of some sort (due high BCLK).

Download RW: http://rweverything.myweb.hinet.net/download.html

Run it and open "Clock Generator" window.
Save the dump.

Then apply some load to make it "throttle" and save another dump while it still throttles.
If the two dumps are identical it is a glitch, if they are not then it is a feature

[filmbot]

Throttling is never done by lowering the BCLK ("FSB") so this is not throttling.
Unless of course you are using the Easy Tune software which could do such thing.
If you are not using "ET", it is probably a glitch of some sort (due high BCLK).

Download RW: http://rweverything.myweb.hinet.net/download.html

Run it and open "Clock Generator" window.
Save the dump.

Then apply some load to make it "throttle" and save another dump while it still throttles.
If the two dumps are identical it is a glitch, if they are not then it is a feature

I figured it was some glitch because I thought throttling was always done via multi. The only thing I'm using Easy Tune for is monitoring temps and volts. The strange thing is, I'll see the change it clockspeed in CPU-Z and then open Easy Tune and see the same thing there. I know there was an issue about glitching with CPU-Z reading the clockspeed right. I will run the clock generator app and see if it gives me any more info.

EDIT:
Seems comparing the dumps, everything looks identical, at least the registers I can see. Another question, Stilt, if one setting can pass Prime95 1.5hrs but can't finish 1 loop of 3DM, is that more of CPU stability problem or RAM? When I run Prime95 I always set it use 3.3gb of the 4gb memory I have installed.

[S1nn3r]

May want to get a A8 3850 to mess with, would the Asus boards mentioned here with Stilts modded BIOS's be my best options motherboard wise ?

[The Stilt]

EDIT: Seems comparing the dumps, everything looks identical, at least the registers I can see. Another question, Stilt, if one setting can pass Prime95 1.5hrs but can't finish 1 loop of 3DM, is that more of CPU stability problem or RAM? When I run Prime95 I always set it use 3.3gb of the 4gb memory I have installed.

Failures in 3DMark06 GT-1 and 3DMark11 Combined especially are usually NB/IMC related.
If your DRAM has Micron or Elpida chips try disabling bank interleaving if raising the GNB VDD does not help.

[S1nn3r]

May want to get a A8 3850 to mess with, would the Asus boards mentioned here with Stilts modded BIOS's be my best options motherboard wise ?

Anyone have an answer/comment on this ?

[The Stilt]

Asus, Gigabyte and Asrock (high-end) boards are all excellent.
Asus generally reaches the highest BCLK frequencies, but the bios support is a bit weaker than on Asrock & Gigabyte.
Anyway you really can´t go wrong with these, just take the one which serves best your purposes.

[S1nn3r]

Asus, Gigabyte and Asrock (high-end) boards are all excellent.
Asus generally reaches the highest BCLK frequencies, but the bios support is a bit weaker than on Asrock & Gigabyte.
Anyway you really can´t go wrong with these, just take the one which serves best your purposes.

I plan on using an SSD, so would need a board that I can get high clocks from without the SATA giving out as I hear that can be an issue with alot of A75 boards. Also since id be using discrete video a board that is known to support the FM1 Athlon X4's (631,651)out of the box would be good to .. or at least if not fully support them not totally fail to boot if I use one so I could update BIOS.

The FM1 plan is a low cost/low risk option In case i cant get my planned X79 build to work out this week. And by work out I mean a fair few things have to come together just right for me to feel comfortable doing that, hence the low cost/risk backup plan..