Asrock P67 Extreme4 UEFI & Drivers thread [Extreme6 & Pro3 owners welcome]

[Ket]

I'm just doing what I do anyway Added bonus I got to make some contacts and friends at Asrock and get sent some stuff sometimes to help all you guys out with issues

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

A little update.

I got my Xeon E3 1270 in the mail about 30 minutes ago. The system boots fine in bios v1.6.


Also, Bios v1.9 is out: http://www.asrock.com/mb/download.as...xtreme4&o=BIOS

I'm trying this now.

[Tunagoblin]

Don´t know when but it most be close, this is what I found over at Tweak Town


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I heard Ivy Bridge is compatible with 1155 but the cougar point PCH chipset of Sandy Bridge won’t support the new 22nm Ivy Bridge.
So which means we can't use 1155 SB board for IB.
Are those new Z68 board compatible with Ivy Bridge???
If not then why would they bother putting in PCI-E 3.0 slot? Since it won't run at 3.0 speed w/o IB.
Also are those have the PCI-E 3.0 controller?? If it is just PCI-E 2.0 controller with PCI-E 3.0 slot means it only run at 2.0 speed...

[danielkza]

I heard Ivy Bridge is compatible with 1155 but the cougar point PCH chipset of Sandy Bridge won’t support the new 22nm Ivy Bridge.
So which means we can't use 1155 SB board for IB.
Are those new Z68 board compatible with Ivy Bridge???
If not then why would they bother putting in PCI-E 3.0 slot? Since it won't run at 3.0 speed w/o IB.
Also are those have the PCI-E 3.0 controller?? If it is just PCI-E 2.0 controller with PCI-E 3.0 slot means it only run at 2.0 speed...

All I've read from Intel so far points to all 60-series chipsets supporting Ivy.

[mean6]

It's been a while since I have been active in the forum, but still have an un-answered question. Eversince I switched over to the sandybridge platform from my X58 setup, my decompression time (or extraction times), have slowed down quite a bit. If say, I were to extract a 4.7 img file using my X58 setup, it would take just under a minute to complete. With my Sandybridge, it takes just under 2 mins which is a huge difference. I am still using the same hdd's from the old system. I tried changing the MMIO settings to 1024 which was posted early that it helps with that, but it made no difference. One thing I did find, was that if I extract a file to a hdd other than the one that the rar files were on, it would do it in less than 1 minute. All my drivers are updated, is there something I am missing? Everything else seems to be quicker than the old set up, but for some reason, extracting files is slower. Anyone have a solution? TIA

[banwell]

I am wondering is the MMIO option needs enabling when the O/s is first installed.

[Ket]

It's been a while since I have been active in the forum, but still have an un-answered question. Eversince I switched over to the sandybridge platform from my X58 setup, my decompression time (or extraction times), have slowed down quite a bit. If say, I were to extract a 4.7 img file using my X58 setup, it would take just under a minute to complete. With my Sandybridge, it takes just under 2 mins which is a huge difference. I am still using the same hdd's from the old system. I tried changing the MMIO settings to 1024 which was posted early that it helps with that, but it made no difference. One thing I did find, was that if I extract a file to a hdd other than the one that the rar files were on, it would do it in less than 1 minute. All my drivers are updated, is there something I am missing? Everything else seems to be quicker than the old set up, but for some reason, extracting files is slower. Anyone have a solution? TIA

Maybe its just your HDD starting to show its age, apart from that, nothing else comes to mind atm

[Ket]

This is a post I'll be putting in the Z68 thread as well. Basically, everybody is hellbent on keeping their SB chip as cool as possible for some reason so I conducted some of my own tests and done a lot of research. Here is what you can expect to get cooling-wise depending on how much cash you throw at cooling your CPU and whats really going on with these coolers.

CoolIT ECO ALC - £45 Amazon.co.uk
Antec Kuhler H2O 620 - £46 kikatek.co.uk
Corsair H50 - £52 box.co.uk
Corsair H60 - £49.55 ILGS.co.uk (thats right, a better model is cheaper than the H50... go figure)
Corsair H70 - £73.39 component warehouse.co.uk
Corsair CWCH80 - £70.18 ILGS.co.uk (yep.. again a better model is cheaper. Methinks this pricing strategy is deliberate)
Antec Kuhler H2O 920 - £80.54 ILGS.co.uk

So, cooling-wise whats really going on here? Firstly I'm going to stress the difference in cooling between the "worst" and "best" liquid CPU coolers is 8-10c. This seems like a lot at first glance.. but is it? Well, here is how that list breaks down;

ECO ALC > Antec H2O 620 > Corsair H50 - There is nothing seperating ANY of these coolers. The minors differences (3c at best) can easily be chalked up to the type of TIM and fan the manufacturer has chosen to use. Something easily overcome with some proper TIM like MX4 alone nevermind a better fan as well.

H60 > H70 - You guessed it, theres nothing seperating these coolers either. Again (surprise, surprise) about 3c at best. Which also (again) can be put down to TIM and the fan used.

Corsair H80 (CWCH80) > Antec H2O 920 - A double phat radiator and these suckers still can't get a significant gain over any of the earlier coolers. These coolers make up the 8-10c difference.

By now you are all probably wondering what I'm getting at, its this; Anybody who owns one of these coolers before plumping out perhaps £80 on a new and "better" liquid CPU cooler instead opt to buy 1 or 2 (whichever is your preference) new fans (the coolermaster sickleflow fans are excellent, 70CFM @ low dba) and some high performance TIM like MX4. Remount your existing cooler with these upgrades and then look up some reviews and compare your new temps to the liquid cooler you had in mind as a replacement. I'm betting your existing cooler is now performing within a few degrees of that cooler you were about to splash some cash on

Some of you might think "Oh but wait! I can do the same thing to the more expensive cooler too." This is correct, but A: The more expensive cooler is likely going to already be using fan(s) equally as good as the new fan(s) you have just got meaning you won't really see any (if any) gains. Lastly, B: You would hope the more expensive cooler is also using better TIM which again means you probably wouldn't see much gain by replacing the TIM on the more expensive cooler.

Give this a go readers, I think you'll be surprised.

[banwell]

Noctua Nh-d14 sell the fans on ebay and go passive!

[mean6]

Maybe its just your HDD starting to show its age, apart from that, nothing else comes to mind atm

I have tried it on multiple hdd's. Even if the file originates on my ssd raid array, when I extract it to the same array, it takes longer. The only other difference from my old system to my current system is that I had 6 gig of ram as compared with 4 gig on my Sandybridge set up. Would that be the difference? Has anybody else noticed this?

[Ket]

Noctua Nh-d14 sell the fans on ebay and go passive!

D14 is also £90 odd, thats stupid money. £80 is as well, really, no CPU cooler should cost more than about £45 if its just a air cooled solution nomatter how exotic the design such as these "liquid CPU coolers".

I have tried it on multiple hdd's. Even if the file originates on my ssd raid array, when I extract it to the same array, it takes longer. The only other difference from my old system to my current system is that I had 6 gig of ram as compared with 4 gig on my Sandybridge set up. Would that be the difference? Has anybody else noticed this?

For larger archives it would make some difference, otherwise nothing noticable. If I remember right, compressing my 2GB Stalker SoC mod takes about 5 mins with 7zip using ultra compression. The resulting archive is about 850MB and takes around 1min 30secs to extract.

[Ket]

Noctua Nh-d14 sell the fans on ebay and go passive!

D14 is also £90 odd, thats stupid money. £80 is as well, really, no CPU cooler should cost more than about £45 if its just a air cooled solution nomatter how exotic the design such as these "liquid CPU coolers".

I have tried it on multiple hdd's. Even if the file originates on my ssd raid array, when I extract it to the same array, it takes longer. The only other difference from my old system to my current system is that I had 6 gig of ram as compared with 4 gig on my Sandybridge set up. Would that be the difference? Has anybody else noticed this?

For larger archives it would make some difference, otherwise nothing noticable. If I remember right, compressing my 2GB Stalker SoC mod takes about 5 mins with 7zip using ultra compression. The resulting archive is about 850MB and takes around 1min 30secs to extract.

[thekevin]

I have the Kuhler 920 on mine in my sig and it bounces between 66C and 69C folding bigadv @ 4.8ghz and 1.4v. Overall I guess I am happy with it, I paid $119 from Newegg for it, but it won't be long and I will build a custom loop for my cpu and gtx580 to try and keep my office from being a sauna.

[banwell]

NH-d14 £65.39 at scan.co.uk. 2 fans and 10g tube of decent TIM. It ain't as expensive a cooler as some think.

But great write up Ket.

[Tunagoblin]

D14 is also £90 odd, thats stupid money. £80 is as well, really, no CPU cooler should cost more than about £45 if its just a air cooled solution nomatter how exotic the design such as these "liquid CPU coolers".

That's a personal preference. I'm using NH-D14 and it is worth every penny to me.
Since I did not want to spend $250 for modular liquid cooling system, D14 works great and no need for any maintenance except for just cleaning the fans.
I used to have 212+ and D14 gave me 10c drop compared to it.
The temp never go passes 80c in LinX w/AVX 6600MB (ALL) run now.

[Ket]

That's a personal preference. I'm using NH-D14 and it is worth every penny to me.
Since I did not want to spend $250 for modular liquid cooling system, D14 works great and no need for any maintenance except for just cleaning the fans.
I used to have 212+ and D14 gave me 10c drop compared to it.
The temp never go passes 80c in LinX w/AVX 6600MB (ALL) run now.

Here is where my point especially is most prominent about absurd prices for some components. A Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus is £16. A Noctua NH-D14 (best price I can find) is £68. The question is; is that 10c drop in temp worth that extra £52? Thats not even a 0.2c temperature improvement each £1 spent.

I think AMD and Intel have to realise its time to stop slapping on the IHS the cheapest way possible. Put it on properly and CPU temps would be quite a bit better. Even right now typing this I'm running some tests and 3 cores average 61c while the 4th core averages 69c. Thats just poor IHS mounting and as Intel don't even have the curtosy to just use TIM under the IHS for skilled folk to make use of a razor blade to skillfully take the IHS off and remount it, I'm stuck with that piss-poor temp on core #1 and nomatter what cooling I use, that delta is always going to be around 9c.

[Tunagoblin]

Here is where my point especially is most prominent about absurd prices for some components. A Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus is £16. A Noctua NH-D14 (best price I can find) is £68. The question is; is that 10c drop in temp worth that extra £52? Thats not even a 0.2c temperature improvement each £1 spent.

I think AMD and Intel have to realise its time to stop slapping on the IHS the cheapest way possible. Put it on properly and CPU temps would be quite a bit better. Even right now typing this I'm running some tests and 3 cores average 61c while the 4th core averages 69c. Thats just poor IHS mounting and as Intel don't even have the curtosy to just use TIM under the IHS for skilled folk to make use of a razor blade to skillfully take the IHS off and remount it, I'm stuck with that piss-poor temp on core #1 and nomatter what cooling I use, that delta is always going to be around 9c.

So basically people who spends $250 for modular liquid cooling system to even get 20c drop is waste in your opinion.
But you get the performance either way and it is worth it or not IS still a personal preference.
You obviously don't think it's worth it but some people do feel satisfied for spending $$ to get the extra 5c~10c drop otherwise impossible without getting the new cooler.

On the other hand, I agree with you on uneven quality of IHS.
My i5 has delta of 5-10c between hottest and coolest core.
And that is limiting my i5 to go higher clock.
But at the same time, 99% of Intel users won't be OC.
If they are to run only at stock, it won't matter I guess.
But for the SB K series, they are made for OC.
So at least for K series, they should have made IHS construction/craftsmanship quality better even with some extra cost.
i5 2500K is about $200 which isn't expensive to begin with.
I'd pay extra $20-40 no problem if the chip were made right way.

[banwell]

I have one core consistently lower than the other three. I am more inclined to disbelieve the sensor reading (or software) rather than the IHS isn't functioning properly.

[Tunagoblin]

I have one core consistently lower than the other three. I am more inclined to disbelieve the sensor reading (or software) rather than the IHS isn't functioning properly.

Then either way, they should have made error free accurate sensor.
I know it won't be 100% accurate, but seems like we all have 1 or more sensor not properly working if the problem is on the sensor side.

[Ket]

So basically people who spends $250 for modular liquid cooling system to even get 20c drop is waste in your opinion.
But you get the performance either way and it is worth it or not IS still a personal preference.
You obviously don't think it's worth it but some people do feel satisfied for spending $$ to get the extra 5c~10c drop otherwise impossible without getting the new cooler.

On the other hand, I agree with you on uneven quality of IHS.
My i5 has delta of 5-10c between hottest and coolest core.
And that is limiting my i5 to go higher clock.
But at the same time, 99% of Intel users won't be OC.
If they are to run only at stock, it won't matter I guess.
But for the SB K series, they are made for OC.
So at least for K series, they should have made IHS construction/craftsmanship quality better even with some extra cost.
i5 2500K is about $200 which isn't expensive to begin with.
I'd pay extra $20-40 no problem if the chip were made right way.

Choosing to use a water setup or something like that is always a preference. My point is manufacturers often charge outrageous prices for things that just aren't up to snuff for the price being asked of it. In the case of the NH-D14, if it was £40-£45 I don't think many people would have a problem with it. But at £68, it alienates more people than it entices to buy it. I would of picked the D14 instead of the ECO I'm using now if the D14 was a reasonable price. I favor workspace in a case primarily and the ECO gives me that in spades, a 212 Plus, D14 and the like don't. So in the end, sure, I probably sacrificed some performance for space, but with a average temp across all 4 cores of around 64c when they are all loaded to 100%, I don't think anybody is missing much. I'm probably over complicating things compared to how most people think things out

I have one core consistently lower than the other three. I am more inclined to disbelieve the sensor reading (or software) rather than the IHS isn't functioning properly.

There is always going to be one core thats cooler than the others and one core thats hotter than the others. The delta for that is usually about +/- 4c-5c, anything over that you can feel justly hard-done by.

Anyway, back on topic; anybody tried the new UEFI?

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

Hey ket, is there any way to get ASRock to give a little bit better support for Xeons on their 1155 boards?

My E3 1270 shows up as an i7 2600. The TDP is at least correct (shows 80w). I think it's just some microcode that has to be added, right?

I was thinking if this 1270 bores me, I'll pick up a 2500K and play around with it. I need an mATX board to fit in my server, so I can't just dump my extrem 4 in, unfrotunately.

Btw, Bios v1.9 seems really stable so far.

[Tunagoblin]

Choosing to use a water setup or something like that is always a preference. My point is manufacturers often charge outrageous prices for things that just aren't up to snuff for the price being asked of it. In the case of the NH-D14, if it was £40-£45 I don't think many people would have a problem with it. But at £68, it alienates more people than it entices to buy it. I would of picked the D14 instead of the ECO I'm using now if the D14 was a reasonable price. I favor workspace in a case primarily and the ECO gives me that in spades, a 212 Plus, D14 and the like don't. So in the end, sure, I probably sacrificed some performance for space, but with a average temp across all 4 cores of around 64c when they are all loaded to 100%, I don't think anybody is missing much. I'm probably over complicating things compared to how most people think things out


There is always going to be one core thats cooler than the others and one core thats hotter than the others. The delta for that is usually about +/- 4c-5c, anything over that you can feel justly hard-done by.

Anyway, back on topic; anybody tried the new UEFI?

I know what you mean. If you think about the cost/performance only then what you are saying is right.
But when you are spending money, it is usually more than just cost/performance.
You chose more work space over performance. And I chose more performance over cost.
That is what I meant by the personal preference.
Hell, why does people want Ferrari over Toyota??
Aren't they both the same "car" that gets you to point A to point B, isn't it?

I've been using 1.90 since it came out.
No difference for me. (from 1.80)
It stays where it was OC wise. No issue that I've been experiencing so far.
But I'm not on Raid so not sure on those ROM update.

[Ket]

Hey ket, is there any way to get ASRock to give a little bit better support for Xeons on their 1155 boards?

My E3 1270 shows up as an i7 2600. The TDP is at least correct (shows 80w). I think it's just some microcode that has to be added, right?

I was thinking if this 1270 bores me, I'll pick up a 2500K and play around with it. I need an mATX board to fit in my server, so I can't just dump my extrem 4 in, unfrotunately.

Btw, Bios v1.9 seems really stable so far.

I can ask on Monday if Asrock have any Xeon SB CPUs to test on the P67 / Z68 boards, but any "support" for Xeon CPUs would likely be unofficial. If there are any Xeon SB chips kicking about testing would probably be delayed a bit. Theres some events coming up being prepared for.

[Tunagoblin]

Hey Ket. Look at this NH-D14 price!

NCIX member price. You do not need to pay the yearly membership.
Just sign up (if you don't have the account) and you can get to the member page and it is 49.99 (Can$).
I'm not sure it's still on sale but that is acceptable price range, right?

****I just checked the member special page and it is actually getting cheaper!! $44.99!! Only 25 left.
Anyone want this should grab it ASAP.

******Sorry my mistake... that was Thermalright Venomous X-RT 6 which is $44.99..
And the $49.99 NH-D14 is already gone...

[Ket]

While I would be interested normally, I live in the UK Pretty sure NCIX don't ship outside Canada, sadly