Amd Bulldozer tested [youtube]

[AKM]

your post if what i was reffering to with "this is getting lol" :P

The ES is seriously gimped, period. This CB 11.5 result is closer to the truth.

[seanx]

We (and I mean the whole IT community over the world) hope that BD (and future amd chips) offer great price-preformance compared to intels' offerings
for one main reason...... to bring the prices down...thats the win win situation we the customers all want to see.
I look forward to BD launch but I'm nervous for amd , and really hope they have something great ... otherwise they should just play
the waiting game some more imo...
Maybe the can develop something other than pure speed vs intel , ( i mean some of us will not use all that speed anyway right?)
some cpugpu stuff which ramps us the vga preformance ? or cpuhdd stuff ramps up the hdd preformance .... anything is good for me other than pure speed..
lets wait and see , and hopefully all of us that care so much (which is why the high emotions in this thread and others) can rest a bit easier ....
essentially we the customers are all on the same team ....

[prznar1]

heh. sry AKM, my malwarebytes blocked your pic.

[AKM]

heh. sry AKM, my malwarebytes blocked your pic.

[prznar1]

thx but it could be anything, even high clocked thuban ;D we are still nowhere.

[duploxxx]

why is AMD letting these horrendous chips out in the wild?
whats the point of gimping them so bad?

Those are called DEV samples, distributed for early board testing.

Anyhow, this SKU will never exist and as usual there is 0 useless info in this thread.

[undone]

Seem it's so closed to this one.


http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showp...&postcount=930

[Hornet331]

if BD performs as bad as a quad core deneb, i will buy one, and pee on it, and upload the video for all you to see

This will get you a million youtube views in an instant...

added V.S. 2500K at 4G video

Thx for the effort, but sad to see thing just get drown in the brown sauce here...

[TurboDiv]

Based on the "leaked" prices, i am dissapointed. I was expecting the highest performing FX part to be in the range of $1000. Clearly, AMD is not there yet and cannot produce a part in this high end ehtusiast segment. Thats why we have parts in $300 range - value market. YEs, AMD will make more money in "value" segment, but the image of the company in the CPU industry is going to remain in the value segment without a flag ship part that competes in the enthusiast level. This also gives us hints about the architechture of the Bulldozer, when a flag ship part cannot produce magnificent numbers(in our case i should say when a flag ship part is priced in the $300 range, because we have no numbers yet), this mean everything based on this architecture is going to be mediocre or "VALUE" segmented. Thats my 2 cents.

[demonkevy666]

Based on the "leaked" prices, i am dissapointed. I was expecting the highest performing FX part to be in the range of $1000. Clearly, AMD is not there yet and cannot produce a part in this high end ehtusiast segment. Thats why we have parts in $300 range - value market. YEs, AMD will make more money in "value" segment, but the image of the company in the CPU industry is going to remain in the value segment without a flag ship part that competes in the enthusiast level. This also gives us hints about the architechture of the Bulldozer, when a flag ship part cannot produce magnificent numbers(in our case i should say when a flag ship part is priced in the $300 range, because we have no numbers yet), this mean everything based on this architecture is going to be mediocre or "VALUE" segmented. Thats my 2 cents.

Then what is sandybridge if it's priced the same ?

[Lanek]

Then what is sandybridge if it's priced the same ?

Maybe he have pay his 2600K 1000$ ?

[prava]

I don't understand most of the attitudes I'm seeing in this topic. It doesn't matter wether we have AMD or Intel in our pcs, or wether we like those brands as companies. We, as computer enthusiasts, specially on a forum such as XS, should know better that the better BD is, the better for all of us. It doesn't matter wether you fold with your computer, play, work or fap with it: competition and innovation is always welcome, no matter who brings it up. And specially here where innovation and more performance is good for the heck of it.

So, I'm all for BD being a HUGE performer. Why? The computer parts I have at home won't get better nor worse depending on BD's result and, thus, they won't affect me. But they can affect all those people that are out in the wild looking into the market to see what fancy stuff will be there.

All in all, lets all try to mature a little and handle stuff more respectfully. All in all we are not at war, nor there are "enemies" nor even "sides".

[Sparky]

I don't understand most of the attitudes I'm seeing in this topic. It doesn't matter wether we have AMD or Intel in our pcs, or wether we like those brands as companies. We, as computer enthusiasts, specially on a forum such as XS, should know better that the better BD is, the better for all of us. It doesn't matter wether you fold with your computer, play, work or fap with it: competition and innovation is always welcome, no matter who brings it up. And specially here where innovation and more performance is good for the heck of it.

So, I'm all for BD being a HUGE performer. Why? The computer parts I have at home won't get better nor worse depending on BD's result and, thus, they won't affect me. But they can affect all those people that are out in the wild looking into the market to see what fancy stuff will be there.

All in all, lets all try to mature a little and handle stuff more respectfully. All in all we are not at war, nor there are "enemies" nor even "sides".

Hey you, get your logic out of here. The rabble doesn't like the voice of reason.

[TurboDiv]

I do not understand why people talk about Intel I7 2600K ? The thread is clearly about AMD Bulldozer. And my argument was regarding the flag ship(top of the line) part that the company (AMD) will be offering. Intel's top of the line CPU is Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 990X(multi thread monster) and it costs about 1000$. AMD with their $300 parts clearly cannot compete with Intel's flag ship part(otherwise they would want something like 1K for it), hence the price tag argument im talking about and the probable potential of their new architecture(meaning, they cant get it faster in general therms (new rev shrinks and stuff will get it faster of course)). Im all about Bulldozer being fast, i am myself an AMD fanboy. I got 2 other machines at home based om Athlon 64 and Phenom II. Im just trying to be impartial to the whole CPU war, and i also try not to care for sentiments or feelings when im comparing the two companies (i admit i love AMD more). I just try to get the best for the money and my needs. IF you want to look at the situation right now: AMD Phenom X6 vs i7 2600K - which one would an alien chose when his main thing is gaming ?

OR

Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 990X vs i7 2600K for gaming ? Of course i7 2600K wins in all of these comparisons, thats why im with 2600K, because i bought a toy to play games on it. I do not buy a machine for work to care for all the extra thread capability/multi thread super powers. The only thing left for us is to see some actual numbers. My speculations/discussion/thoughts are purely based on the leaked prices for the AMD parts and are not FACT, just sharing a simple opinion. When we see some numbers, everyone would argue which one is faster based on their own uses and needs. :P

Peace and love !

[sunny7day]

post #1 updated with more cpu info and wPrime result, as request

[Stukov]

I do not understand why people talk about Intel I7 2600K ? The thread is clearly about AMD Bulldozer. And my argument was regarding the flag ship(top of the line) part that the company (AMD) will be offering. Intel's top of the line CPU is Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 990X(multi thread monster) and it costs about 1000$. AMD with their $300 parts clearly cannot compete with Intel's flag ship part(otherwise they would want something like 1K for it), hence the price tag argument im talking about and the probable potential of their new architecture(meaning, they cant get it faster in general therms (new rev shrinks and stuff will get it faster of course)). Im all about Bulldozer being fast, i am myself an AMD fanboy. I got 2 other machines at home based om Athlon 64 and Phenom II. Im just trying to be impartial to the whole CPU war, and i also try not to care for sentiments or feelings when im comparing the two companies (i admit i love AMD more). I just try to get the best for the money and my needs. IF you want to look at the situation right now: AMD Phenom X6 vs i7 2600K - which one would an alien chose when his main thing is gaming ?

OR

Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 990X vs i7 2600K for gaming ? Of course i7 2600K wins in all of these comparisons, thats why im with 2600K, because i bought a toy to play games on it. I do not buy a machine for work to care for all the extra thread capability/multi thread super powers. The only thing left for us is to see some actual numbers. My speculations/discussion/thoughts are purely based on the leaked prices for the AMD parts and are not FACT, just sharing a simple opinion. When we see some numbers, everyone would argue which one is faster based on their own uses and needs. :P

Peace and love !

Because it doesn't work like how you think it does. The "best chip" that cost $1000 isn't the result of JUST having the best architecture or manufacturing process, it is about binning and how you create the processor. Here is an analogy for how the binning works. (hypothetical numbers and simplified everything)

Imagine if there are two "baking" processes for wafers. Cool and Hot. There are also 6 grades of processors, A through F. Baking a wafer cool will result 1% A grade, 20% B , 50% C, 10% D, 10% E, 9% F (failure). While not very many of the "best" A grade are made, you also only have 19% poor+fail grades of processors. Since the bulk of your sales are for in the C grade, producing a lot of them ends up giving you good results for profit.

Now you bake the same wafer Hot, it results in 10% A grade, 10% B grade, 5% C, 5% D, 20% E 40% F (failure). The A grade processors are your $1000 CPU's and $300-400 processors are B grade CPUs, why? Grade A processors are expensive to produce because unlike the Cool bake, there is not many other grades to sell (high failure rate), in addition they don't produce very many of these as while there is a good profit margin, there isn't a whole lot of market for a $1000 CPU. Most are sold at the B/C level, even if they are a different type of chip altogether. It simply isn't economically feasible for AMD to produce $1000 CPUs unless Intel's product line is completely horrible in which case you can sell your 1% A grade you get from a cool bake and pass them off for $1000 CPU because there is no competition.

[haylui]

is this BD B0 stepping?

[DarthShader]

We, as computer enthusiasts, specially on a forum such as XS, should know better that the better BD is, the better for all of us. It doesn't matter wether you fold with your computer, play, work or fap with it: competition and innovation is always welcome, no matter who brings it up. And specially here where innovation and more performance is good for the heck of it.

So, I'm all for BD being a HUGE performer.

Finally someone says this aloud!

I'd go further and say it's Intel fans who should be keeping their fingers crossed the most for BD. A strong BD will force Intel to deliver more performance with next chips and/or lower the prices. A win for everybody, regardless whose chips we want in our systems! With no competition, there will be more shenenigans, probably even more daring than with SB. All improvments will concentrate on lowering power consumption, so Intel can fight where there is competition (from ARM), hardly anything on pure performance... is that what enthusiasts want?

[nex_73]

post #1 updated with more cpu info and wPrime result, as request

Thank you! Can you please do TrueCrypt next?

[N19h7m4r3]

Finally someone says this aloud!

I'd go further and say it's Intel fans who should be keeping their fingers crossed the most for BD. A strong BD will force Intel to deliver more performance with next chips and/or lower the prices. A win for everybody, regardless whose chips we want in our systems! With no competition, there will be more shenenigans, probably even more daring than with SB. All improvments will concentrate on lowering power consumption, so Intel can fight where there is competition (from ARM), hardly anything on pure performance... is that what enthusiasts want?

Very very true!

I don't see how many people just do not understand that!

If AMD do well, Intel will probably drop prices on their current line up, Win Win for all.
They'll also bring out an even better next gen to try and prevent AMD from catching up again, which in turn makes AMD ramp up their performance if they can, Win Win for all.

Stagnation of a market is a terrible thing. I'll be holding out till September to build a new system anyway, so let's keep our fingers crossed and hope for the utmost best.

[Lanek]

they should, but i doubt they will ..

Anyway it's exactly that, competition is good for all.. I don't think Intel will have release the CD2 as they was if AMD has not made the A64 .. well maybe on next generations.. they was seriously need something for be competitive, and it's exactly what they have do .

[Final8ty]

Very very true!

I don't see how many people just do not understand that!

If AMD do well, Intel will probably drop prices on their current line up, Win Win for all.
They'll also bring out an even better next gen to try and prevent AMD from catching up again, which in turn makes AMD ramp up their performance if they can, Win Win for all.

Stagnation of a market is a terrible thing. I'll be holding out till September to build a new system anyway, so let's keep our fingers crossed and hope for the utmost best.

Inferiority complex.

Some people just like to have a product from the leading company no matter if its the lower versions of their range & if the AMD beats or equals then they are not happy and that's why they are hopping that it comes in behind, the bigger picture of better prices later does not matter to them as they will have to contend with the fact that they don't have the best & maybe at a price point until its time to buy again .

[JohnZS]

So all along AMD enthusiasts should have managed their expectations?
As I said before and still say now, the top of the line BullDozer will be EXTREMELY competitive with the Core i7 2600K, however it will pale in comparison compared to the vastly superior SKT 2011 platform based products.
This is good though, as AMD are able to offer e very good HIGH end processor and if they stick to their guns on pricing it would offer a good option for those on AM3 based boards to upgrade to BullDozer FX.
HOWEVER
If Intel lower their prices then the 2600K might become for the performance/price ration king.
Very interesting times indeed.

Kudos to AMD for not being a generation behind this time around!
John

[DarthShader]

it will pale in comparison compared to the vastly superior SKT 2011 platform based products.

Haha, talk about managing your expectations. What will pale for sure is our faces, when we see the price tag of the whole platform. And there is no way the performance increase would justify twice the cost of CPU+mobo+RAM.

If Intel lower their prices then the 2600K might become for the performance/price ration king.

Haha, that would be somewhat ironical. But no worries, is not going to happen, since it would require a drop in mobo prices too. SB boards are currently way overpriced compared to equivalent AM3+ models and usualy have less functionality (at least when a 990FX chipset is being used).

[sunny7day]

Thank you! Can you please do TrueCrypt next?

I think this is my last B0 video. B0 shouldn't be reference anyways. It's misleading.