New radiators: airplex modularity system

[DarthBeavis]

you are wrong ,Feser show of the proposed new RAD in september of 2010 but the RAD had nothing to do with being modular at all,it was new round tube design and nothing more ,
the idea of modular "lego" design came to light in Jan 2011 CES show in vegas "famous introduction video ",just by looking at the new airplex RAD you can tell this product is well design and thought of ,
it takes time to come up with brand new/finished product like this ,stop the accusations

great job AC

sorry but NOTHING you said diminshes the fact that two companies both have the same type of MODULAR design at or about the same time manufactured in the same place . . .Germany, when most radiators are fabbed in Asia. We have seen interesting business practices from Germany before . . .trademark grabs and such. I have not accused either company but I am asking the questions.

[coolhandluke41]

sorry but NOTHING you said diminshes the fact that two companies both have the same type of MODULAR design at or about the same time manufactured in the same place . . .Germany, when most radiators are fabbed in Asia. We have seen interesting business practices from Germany before . . .trademark grabs and such. I have not accused either company but I am asking the questions.

here is you answer.." 2 year old child Luca, the sone of Dino"
who cares BD ?
whoever comes first with solid finish RAD gets my vote

[zalbard]

Let companies sort it out between themselves if or who ripped off whom. You're not their lawyer.
Just pick a superior product. No one is going to take it away once you buy it, anyway!

[DarthBeavis]

lol - so funny you guys think I am out of place for asking the question. Never said to choose which one based on who came up with the idea. The best product is the one people should buy but that does not wash away the question I have raised. My initial point was that the two concepts are most likely closely related and came from one source (then diverged as we can see they went in different directions other than the modular aspect). I stand by that statement.

I wise man one said (or often said) 'The Truth Shall Set You Free'. Hope the truth come out from this thread (perhaps it has already - don't know).

[Kenjiwing]

lol - so funny you guys think I am out of place for asking the question. Never said to choose which one based on who came up with the idea. The best product is the one people should buy but that does not wash away the question I have raised. My initial point was that the two concepts are most likely closely related and came from one source (then diverged as we can see they went in different directions other than the modular aspect). I stand by that statement.

I wise man one said (or often said) 'The Truth Shall Set You Free'. Hope the truth come out from this thread (perhaps it has already - don't know).

What you're not understanding is most people dont care.. they're going to buy the superior product.

Its not up to the consumer to decide whether an idea is copied or stolen..

[DarthBeavis]

What you're not understanding is most people dont care.. they're going to buy the superior product.

Its not up to the consumer to decide whether an idea is copied or stolen..

You think only consumers are reading this thread. This rabbit hole goes much deeper than you think

And I did not say WE need to decide I just said I want to know the truth.

[NaeKuh]

oh gowd.... ok... guys.. we spoke enough about the history... lets end it please?

This is a launch... so keep the topic related to this product only and not side step into other products.

The fact that remains, and i dont care if u think this rad is a knock off.... AC is FIRST.

So that being said...

GOOD JOB AC in being FIRST.

Thats all thats need to be said without numbers supporting the rest that needs to be said.

[MegadetHCl]

Gentlemen, it is called a convergent evolution, where similar features arise from dissimilar sources.

[aoch88]

These looks really nice However it might be too thick to fit on top of our cases?

[Waterlogged]

Am I the only one who doesn't see the AC AMS as a "knock-off / copy / whatever" of the other recent German design?

No, your not. This is simply an evolution of their older EVO design IMO.

[Shoggy]

And I did not say WE need to decide I just said I want to know the truth.

The problem is that you will never find the truth since it was already told and you do not want accept it

The first time we took notice about the modular system was Fesers crazy YouTube video, which came AFTER our first announcement. I also knew that when we will officially announce our system in all its details that people like you will come up and think that we have stolen it or whatever. Like Skinee said both are radiators - and here ends their similarities. Our system is very different from theirs, especially the details.

If you still think we came later: that would be even a better honor since it would mean we have done all the development, testing, purchase and production in only a few weeks. I think I should give myself a pat on the back in this case

It seems you have some very strange opinions on how much time it takes from an idea to a real product which you can hold in your hands.

Don't take it too serious. It is OK to ask these questions to get an inside on the things behind, but your distrust bothers me a bit

Once and again: we have absolutely no relationship with Feser (or Thermalfins) or any other mysterious people/companies which might be involved in the modularity gate. The AMS is a complete own development, we did not licensed anything for that or tried to copy anything - at least that would also lead to the question what should we copy there? Feser? BIG LOL! I would felt ashamed if there would be a grain of truth with that.

I will have a look into the thread tomorrow for the other questions. Sorry guys, it is pretty late here and I will go to bed now but I just had to response to that to have a calm night

[DarthBeavis]

The problem is that you will never find the truth since it was already told and you do not want accept it

The first time we took notice about the modular system was Fesers crazy YouTube video, which came AFTER our first announcement. I also knew that when we will officially announce our system in all its details that people like you will come up and think that we have stolen it or whatever. Like Skinee said both are radiators - and here ends their similarities. Our system is very different from theirs, especially the details.

If you still think we came later: that would be even a better honor since it would mean we have done all the development, testing, purchase and production in only a few weeks. I think I should give myself a pat on the back in this case

It seems you have some very strange opinions on how much time it takes from an idea to a real product which you can hold in your hands.

Don't take it too serious. It is OK to ask these questions to get an inside on the things behind, but your distrust bothers me a bit

Once and again: we have absolutely no relationship with Feser (or Thermalfins) or any other mysterious people/companies which might be involved in the modularity gate. The AMS is a complete own development, we did not licensed anything for that or tried to copy anything - at least that would also lead to the question what should we copy there? Feser? BIG LOL! I would felt ashamed if there would be a grain of truth with that.

I will have a look into the thread tomorrow for the other questions. Sorry guys, it is pretty late here and I will go to bed now but I just had to response to that to have a calm night

As I said, they are to similar to have no connection. I am NOT saying you stole the design and I am not saying they did I am saying one of you two copied the modular aspect or you both got the idea from the same source. After you have seen your design and the Feser design, do you think both companies came up with the design independently? yes or no. You are inside as are the Feser boys. The rest of us don't have the answers. Since you say you did not copy, are you saying Feser did not copy you? Say no and I will just leave it at that

[theseeker]

Any one that doubts Shoggy or Aqua is nuts. I have been dealing with them for close to TEN years and I have never had a problem, period. I was even a reseller for a brief period of time.
You can count on Aqua and Shoggy!

[the_dope_chaud]

watercooling=drama


keeps my computer cool, but we have enough drama in the w/c section to write a sitcom.

[DarthBeavis]

watercooling=drama


keeps my computer cool, but we have enough drama in the w/c section to write a sitcom.

you have not even seen drama . . .trust me it gets even better. or you can go to the over-clocking forum where everyday is a cat fight

I personally think these new rads look in and offer so many possibilities . . .but we still need the drama mamma in this here hoochie. I want Vapor to get a pay raise from all the hours he spends here

[Aedubber]

Who cares anyways? Its not like you guys are doing all the R&D and then coming up with the product anyways lol.. Feser failed in an EPIC way , AC has PASSED, now we just need some testing done asap !!

Making such a small thing into a big deal, look at all the barbs and comp fittings that are out there . Look at how cpu and gpu blocks are designed , same ish ..

[CedricFP]

I still don't see the modularity kicking off for those who have only 1 case or prefer "set it and forget it" setups.

I change cases and setups all the time and so the modularity is extremely enticing. But I feel that its application is limited.

[DarthBeavis]

Who cares anyways? Its not like you guys are doing all the R&D and then coming up with the product anyways lol.. Feser failed in an EPIC way , AC has PASSED, now we just need some testing done asap !!

Making such a small thing into a big deal, look at all the barbs and comp fittings that are out there . Look at how cpu and gpu blocks are designed , same ish ..

we need something to discuss next year at the XS party with all the vendors there these things are not small in some circles

[zeropluszero]

i gotta tell you, if i was shoggy, and i had to stoop to ripping off fester, i'd probably off myself.

[Shoggy]

Any 140.4 versions?

Hard to tell at the moment. If we see some demand here we would offer them. That size is just in-between: too large for a case and too small as a large external radiator.

Where can I sign up to become an AC shill?

Done.



Congratulations!

i want 240mm copper.

I'm pretty sure that we will have them available soon too

Mind confirming what the tubes are actually made of?

The tubes are always made of copper - also in the variants with aluminum fins.

Especially interesting to me seems that integrated module with flow sensor/fan controller and so on .. Shoggy: can you elaborate on it's details?

You mean the module with the pump. Not much to say here since I already wrote all interesting things. The sensor is based on our high flow sensor and the controller is the same which we use for the aquastream XT so you also have all options from this pump available. The pump itself is used in our aquaducts since several years now and runs pretty silent and reliable.

Can you say any more about the stand variations that are planned?

We will also offer a larger stand which will allow you to place the radiator upstanding so it is like a simple variant of our aquaducts (external all in one solution).

[Can you tell what material is used for AMS watertube (waterchannel) production? Is it different for copper/aluminum models?

As mentioned before: the tubes are always made of copper - also in the variants with aluminum fins.

Just curious, why not publish your internal testing results?

We never publish our internal numbers because sooner or later there will be always massive conflicts between our results and others - especially when our numbers are better.

Anyways nice Rads any plans on making Radiator sizes for 180mm fans?

So far we have no plans for a 180mm variant.

Any photos of those?

No, because these parts are in production so I have nothing to take a photo of but thanks to Photoshop we can get an idea of how it it might look:

These looks really nice However it might be too thick to fit on top of our cases?

Depends on the case. There are a lot of large cases available where you can easily mount it to the top.

Since you say you did not copy, are you saying Feser did not copy you? Say no and I will just leave it at that

Hehe, how should they have do that? Aside from the little announcement that Stephan already linked we never released any details or photos so besides the idea of a modular design there was nothing to copy. Also keep in mind that Feser came up with their video directly after this announcement so for them it would have been also impossible to do everything in so little time

Well, if you need some more confusion: there is also another German company which announced a modular system with some information and photos in March. Their system also looks quite different.

I just think that radiators are the last big battlefield that we have since there was not much innovation in the last years so we have enough space for new developments and products. In other ranges like CPU or GPU blocks the known manufacturers are pretty much on the same level of performance so there is noting to conquer anymore

It is like the 3D hype of the last time. Suddenly we saw 3D TVs everywhere from every company within a short time frame but quite often with different technologies.

[NaeKuh]

red and black with copper = :O
The black and black with copper = :O x 2
The blue and black with copper = :\

Actually shoggy that isnt a great blue :\
You should of matched the giggy baby blue.

Carbon fiber Film with Copper = :O x 3

[Shoggy]

So far I have no idea how the blue frames will look in reality. As said it is only a shopped photo.

[DarthBeavis]

Hard to tell at the moment. If we see some demand here we would offer them. That size is just in-between: too large for a case and too small as a large external radiator.


Done.



Congratulations!


I'm pretty sure that we will have them available soon too


The tubes are always made of copper - also in the variants with aluminum fins.


You mean the module with the pump. Not much to say here since I already wrote all interesting things. The sensor is based on our high flow sensor and the controller is the same which we use for the aquastream XT so you also have all options from this pump available. The pump itself is used in our aquaducts since several years now and runs pretty silent and reliable.


We will also offer a larger stand which will allow you to place the radiator upstanding so it is like a simple variant of our aquaducts (external all in one solution).


As mentioned before: the tubes are always made of copper - also in the variants with aluminum fins.


We never publish our internal numbers because sooner or later there will be always massive conflicts between our results and others - especially when our numbers are better.


So far we have no plans for a 180mm variant.


No, because these parts are in production so I have nothing to take a photo of but thanks to Photoshop we can get an idea of how it it might look:




Depends on the case. There are a lot of large cases available where you can easily mount it to the top.


Hehe, how should they have do that? Aside from the little announcement that Stephan already linked we never released any details or photos so besides the idea of a modular design there was nothing to copy. Also keep in mind that Feser came up with their video directly after this announcement so for them it would have been also impossible to do everything in so little time

Well, if you need some more confusion: there is also another German company which announced a modular system with some information and photos in March. Their system also looks quite different.

I just think that radiators are the last big battlefield that we have since there was not much innovation in the last years so we have enough space for new developments and products. In other ranges like CPU or GPU blocks the known manufacturers are pretty much on the same level of performance so there is noting to conquer anymore

It is like the 3D hype of the last time. Suddenly we saw 3D TVs everywhere from every company within a short time frame but quite often with different technologies.

Just because you (or they - not trying to take sides if there are sides to take) did not do a press release of the designs does not mean there cannot be SOME way of information getting out. Can you comment on how similar your two approaches to modularity are?

The 3d analogy does not fit . . .first - there is a 3d industry association that has agreed to some standards (even the HDMI 1.4 standard was worked out with them). Since this is not a 3d topic I will leave it at that but let's just say I deal with 3d a ton.

[kinghong1970]

OMG! Calvin Klein knocked off my Fruit of the Looms briefs!!!

dammit! hanes did it too!

but for f's sake, i'm wearing my fruit of the looms cus it makes my nutsack happy...

what's the big deal... wait for the product to come out, see the tests, and support brand/product with your wallet...

[Church]

Hmm, speaking of colored shrouds for these modular rads .. how about start selling different color/pattern stickers for those shrouds (including Naekuh's favourite carbon fiber pattern )? With such one should easily be able to change looks of it later on without repainting anything.