Nvidia confirms the GTX 580

[cegras]

If you want to discuss nVidia vs AMD from a football-match point of view, I'm not interested in any of that, both of them can bleed, I don't care.

Lets keep the discussion to relevant stuff, and about current cards. Just look at those numbers in the first review, and tell me, how those "thing" that AMD has chosen to call "new generation" looks like compared to GTX580? It will come more tomorrow too.

Don't you think AMD should do something about this and get Cayman out, and it better arrive in time, and it better deliver what they promise, because otherwise AMD will be in big trouble?.

I don't think comparing the 68xx to the GTX580 is valid. Midrange to flagship.

As for AMD having an answer to the GTX580, the apparent launch date is Nov. 22. If they fail to meet it (and if that is indeed the real launch date), we can start heaping the hate on after.

You should dignify the 6xxx series with a proper name, or you should call the GTX580 a thing too.