Nvidia confirms the GTX 580

[Heinz68]

It looks like the card is real and it exist I think we can be pretty certain and is not a wood screw debacle.

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/ite...v-sampling-now

I know it is fud, but at the very least, he should know if cards are in reviewers hands or not.

Charlie from Semi-Accurate says that the November 8th date for GTX 580 is paper launch and there wont be any such card on the market this year "No chips, no hope, just spin". I know some people will dismiss this as Charlie is NVIDIA hater but he was right about the GTX 470 and 480 release dates, unlike Fuad from Fudzilla who is NVIDIA fanboy and had the cards coming out just about every month since November 2009, the cards were not available till end of April 2010.

Only few days left to find out who is right this time, I hope Charlie is wrong.

[Manicdan]

Only few days left to find out who is right this time, I hope Charlie is wrong.

Charlie + Nvidia = SUPER FUD!!!

[zerazax]

Charlie spins things in a very negative light, but he's been pretty accurate when it comes to release dates so we'll see

I hope the wait for the paper edition is better than the woodscrew edition :P

[marten_larsson]

I meant this, obviously.
http://www.techpowerup.com/132459/AM...00-Series.html

Well, there is no evidence of this happening at all. There was a slide which indicated that AMD intended to keep producing Juniper until Q1 2011, nothing else. Seeing as how Nvidia seems to be releasing a new generation (as in GTX500-series) products it's not that unlikely we'll see a "rebrand" of the not yet released fully fledged GF104.

[Manicdan]

Charlie spins things in a very negative light, but he's been pretty accurate when it comes to release dates so we'll see

I hope the wait for the paper edition is better than the woodscrew edition :P

i actually read the article now, yes after i posted my first comment about it lol,

and the very first sentence makes it clear he just dosnt like them at all


its funny how he it talking about a chip thats going to have 20% more power with 10-20% less power consumption being killed by the competition. i think a 580 with a decent overclock (FTW or SOC version) should give a 5970 a good run for its money (in real games). talking about factory OC here too.

the fact that its going to be 30-40% stronger than a 5870 while being only a little higher on the power draw should be more than enough to make us happy about this card.

and if they did change the internals a little, then i think its ok to give it a new number, maybe not 5xx, but 485 i think would have been more appropriate.

[E30M3]

Seriously, dude. Both you and sam_oslo tire me (and I guess it's not just me). Most everyone is reasonable here, with slight tendencies to support one of the two companies; but with you, it's just 100% AMD bias with.every.single.post. It's almost as if I already know what the post will be talking about the moment I see your nickname.

Information theory states that if a certain event's outcome is known with certainty before you know its results, than that event is essentially worthless in terms of providing information. Like, if an unfair coin always gives you Tails, then the fact that it gives you Tails on a particular toss is worthless information. Please don't be like that.

+1
waste of time
when people get so fanatical

[Vardant]

Well, there is no evidence of this happening at all. There was a slide which indicated that AMD intended to keep producing Juniper until Q1 2011, nothing else. Seeing as how Nvidia seems to be releasing a new generation (as in GTX500-series) products it's not that unlikely we'll see a "rebrand" of the not yet released fully fledged GF104.

That's not the issue here.

There was some evidence suggesting a possible rename in case of AMD, but it was still deemed inappropriate to even talk about that, because it didn't happen yet.

But, the same people have no problem saying NV is going to rebrand without any shred of evidence or anyone at least hinting at it.

[Rai]

That's not the issue here.

There was some evidence suggesting a possible rename in case of AMD, but it was still deemed inappropriate to even talk about that, because it didn't happen yet.

But, the same people have no problem saying NV is going to rebrand without any shred of evidence or anyone at least hinting at it.

I wouldn't call that slide "evidence".

That isn't to say AMD wont' rename the 5770 into the 6770, I have no idea if they will. But, had they wanted to do that, they could have done so already, and the introduction of the 6800 series would have been a logical time to do so.

[Zloyd]

I can actually believe charlie on this, nvidia is going to get out some early samples to reviewers .... very few but they will let us have a peek at the next card to prevent cayman sales. Dont think they will sell too many if any at all. If they are able to make a few now maybe February we will see some sorta decent availability. All speculation but hard to believe that there is so little noise a week before a card is going to go on sale.

[marten_larsson]

That's not the issue here.

There was some evidence suggesting a possible rename in case of AMD, but it was still deemed inappropriate to even talk about that, because it didn't happen yet.

But, the same people have no problem saying NV is going to rebrand without any shred of evidence or anyone at least hinting at it.

Well, to be a bit fair, there are no rumours about any upcoming fully enabled GF104 as far I've seen so everything was pure speculation on a possible part.

Also, I think the 5770->6770 rebranding was discussed quite vigorously in the Barts thread and AMD got a lot of bashing for something that didn't happen and probably won't. Most people also said that if the rebranding would take place they would cry foul. The only problem was that there was no end to the discussion, it got tiresome..

I do agree that some here have a bit of an attitude towards certain brands and I'm getting tired of it. However I don't believe you're the one to throw the first rock..

[tajoh111]

I wonder why the expectation for the 6970 are so high? The only thing we have gotten so far is a 3dmark score which appears about 10% lower than the gtx 580.

I can see cayman xt beating the gtx 580 in crysis, but other games, it's going to be an uphill battle. Cayman xt needs to be somewhere around 45% faster to be significantly faster than a 5870 which is going to be difficult on the same process. Barts xt efficiency per die size is being inflated by its gains which are primarily gained through clocks, including its tessellation.

Cayman appears to have 50% more real shaders at this point and I remember reading they are slightly slightly less powerful than the ones found in cypress and unless they completely use those 50% extra shaders, its going to significantly lower than a 50% gain in performance, especially with first generation drivers.

[ajaidev]

I meant this, obviously.
http://www.techpowerup.com/132459/AM...00-Series.html

I say why not i mean if they lower the price it could workout fine. What i mean is that Juniper was quite a nice chip and going by the price of 6850 the new 6700's will cost quite a bit less than the current 5700's

Juniper - 166mm2
Barts - 255mm2

What huge enhancement would 6700's owners expect, going on the 6800's the enhancements are:

Better tessellation
Better AA and AF
Enhanced UVD

Non of them is a big requirement in the market the 6700 targets.

[Oztopher]

Hmm i never really realised that AMD could be rebranding the 5770 to a 6770, i thought everybody was just complaining about the 6870 being called... well, the 6870. Sneaky little move if so. As long as they made the same changes they did in barts then i wouldn't consider it a rebrand.

What changes did nvidia make to the GTS 250 over the 9800GTX? Just curious.

I'm not sure i want to upgrade to a 6870 anymore, it's lost its appeal for me. GTX 560 would seem interesting though... would be pretty cool if nvidia managed to iron out everything people were complaining about fermi, eventually everyone would forget about that; oh the forever raising standards...

edit: gotta love the tags for this thread

[Iconyu]

i actually read the article now, yes after i posted my first comment about it lol,

and the very first sentence makes it clear he just dosnt like them at all


its funny how he it talking about a chip thats going to have 20% more power with 10-20% less power consumption being killed by the competition. i think a 580 with a decent overclock (FTW or SOC version) should give a 5970 a good run for its money (in real games). talking about factory OC here too.

the fact that its going to be 30-40% stronger than a 5870 while being only a little higher on the power draw should be more than enough to make us happy about this card.

and if they did change the internals a little, then i think its ok to give it a new number, maybe not 5xx, but 485 i think would have been more appropriate.

It's hard to say if it'll be enough, I'm pretty sure Cayman will still be smaller than both the 480 and 580. I not sure if Cayman can beat Hemlock, but Antilles will eat everything alive. There is no way AMD will fail to reproduce the 95% scaling we've been seeing with Barts.

If they release for review and we find out they've basically spent a whole year just re-spinning Gf100 while ATI have built Cayman I imagine some shareholders are not going to be impressed. I agree with your assessment on the name

That's not the issue here.

There was some evidence suggesting a possible rename in case of AMD, but it was still deemed inappropriate to even talk about that, because it didn't happen yet.

But, the same people have no problem saying NV is going to rebrand without any shred of evidence or anyone at least hinting at it.

Because it was possible, but it hasn't happened. It wasn't fair to paint that on a company that has only mentioned the possibility of a event compared to
nvidia who has blatantly done this act repeatedly. AMD have removed all mention of the 6770 from their slides, so I think it's safe to say it won't happen. Or at least we hope it won't. As long as they ship Juniper as the 5770 it will probably hurt sales of those but might impress on people to buy the 68x0 instead.

[Manicdan]

It's hard to say if it'll be enough, I'm pretty sure Cayman will still be smaller than both the 480 and 580. I not sure if Cayman can beat Hemlock, but Antilles will eat everything alive. There is no way AMD will fail to reproduce the 95% scaling we've been seeing with Barts.

well if caymen xt is right around the same power consumption as 580, then nvidia should have the ability to make an x2 card aswell.

the best of both single gpu cards should provide a fierce battle.

[Rai]

I wonder why the expectation for the 6970 are so high? The only thing we have gotten so far is a 3dmark score which appears about 10% lower than the gtx 580.

I can see cayman xt beating the gtx 580 in crysis, but other games, it's going to be an uphill battle. Cayman xt needs to be somewhere around 45% faster to be significantly faster than a 5870 which is going to be difficult on the same process. Barts xt efficiency per die size is being inflated by its gains which are primarily gained through clocks, including its tessellation.

Cayman appears to have 50% more real shaders at this point and I remember reading they are slightly slightly less powerful than the ones found in cypress and unless they completely use those 50% extra shaders, its going to significantly lower than a 50% gain in performance, especially with first generation drivers.

I think a lot ppl are under the impression Caymant XT will provide at least 90% of the performance of the GTX 580 in games and at only 80% of the price, 400 vs 500. All that and lower power consumption to boot. We'll have to wait and see how it actually plays out.

[-Sweeper_]

I think a lot ppl are under the impression Caymant XT will provide at least 90% of the performance of the GTX 580 in games and at only 80% of the price, 400 vs 500. All that and lower power consumption to boot. We'll have to wait and see how it actually plays out.

not that lower, if its going to be 225-300w (6+8 pin)... vs rumoured 244W (nvidian watt ) GTX580

[Hey Zeus]

Paper Launch 580? Noooooooo

[Vardant]

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/ite...v-sampling-now

I know it is fud, but at the very least, he should know if cards are in reviewers hands or not.

I can now confirm, that he's right. Reviewers already have them. That should make leaks a bit easier

[Hey Zeus]

I can now confirm, that he's right. Reviewers already have them. That should make leaks a bit easier

Has anyone confirmed the TMU count yet?

[BrowncoatGR]

That's not the issue here.

There was some evidence suggesting a possible rename in case of AMD, but it was still deemed inappropriate to even talk about that, because it didn't happen yet.

But, the same people have no problem saying NV is going to rebrand without any shred of evidence or anyone at least hinting at it.

Well there is no precedent for AMD in renaming a GPU, on the other hand Nvidia has done it several times in recent history. The real issue was people started assuming it was a fact when there was no real info on the issue. And btw rumors are not evidence. In any case the GTX580 is the topic here and i for one hope it is really good product. Competition and choice only benefit the customers

[cegras]

I wonder why the expectation for the 6970 are so high? The only thing we have gotten so far is a 3dmark score which appears about 10% lower than the gtx 580.

I can see cayman xt beating the gtx 580 in crysis, but other games, it's going to be an uphill battle. Cayman xt needs to be somewhere around 45% faster to be significantly faster than a 5870 which is going to be difficult on the same process. Barts xt efficiency per die size is being inflated by its gains which are primarily gained through clocks, including its tessellation.

Cayman appears to have 50% more real shaders at this point and I remember reading they are slightly slightly less powerful than the ones found in cypress and unless they completely use those 50% extra shaders, its going to significantly lower than a 50% gain in performance, especially with first generation drivers.

I don't think the 3dmark was very diagnostic of 68xx performance at all.

[Rai]

not that lower, if its going to be 225-300w (6+8 pin)... vs rumoured 244W (nvidian watt ) GTX580

Well if the GTX 480 was anything to go by Nvidia's TDP does not reflect max board power. I'd rather wait for Kyle to do his power testing again.

[570091D]

Seriously, dude. Both you and sam_oslo tire me (and I guess it's not just me). Most everyone is reasonable here, with slight tendencies to support one of the two companies; but with you, it's just 100% AMD bias with.every.single.post. It's almost as if I already know what the post will be talking about the moment I see your nickname.

Information theory states that if a certain event's outcome is known with certainty before you know its results, than that event is essentially worthless in terms of providing information. Like, if an unfair coin always gives you Tails, then the fact that it gives you Tails on a particular toss is worthless information. Please don't be like that.

i just blocked him after i blew up in another thread over his comments... don't feed the trolls.

[Mechanical Man]

Has anyone confirmed the TMU count yet?

There was one saying, "its just dream that there would be 128 TMUs" some other things was said, and "it would reasonable to think about 15-20% improvement over GTX480"..