AMD Radeon HD 6870 and HD 6850 confirmed to be launched on 22.10.2010

[tajoh111]

What we are forgetting are also the R&D costs for AMD compared to Nvidia.

I'm not saying that I can afford and like costly VGA's, but it seems to me they AMD is lately spending more on product development then Nvidia. What I have in mind is the fact that Nvidia already has problems competing with HD 5000 and AMD is launching HD 6000. What did McVidia do in their prime time?

Rename, re-brand and cash-in on the same architecture. I guess its time for AMD to make some money on their graphics division?

I don't know about lately. They spend 210 million last quarter and AMD spent 369 million for both their CPU division, GPU division and whatever else they may have.

Well, 8600 GT wasn't a highend card, and that didn't stop it being priced at US$ 200+. The difference is, while Bart would be at worst half of Cayman & performs quite handsomely (around last gen top end single GPU card), G84 was a quarter of G80, the performance sucked bad yet nVidia had no problem putting it as their midrange card. OTOH, i think ATi would give better value, performance/$, in this gen compared to the last, while the card is still made in the same process node, something that isn't easy to pull, compared to spewing FUDs out of people's rear.



You tell us nothing but FUDs throughout the ordeal. But it's okay, we'll see the truth in the end. I hope you'll be man enough to admit your wrong prediction is things unveiled not the way you described. I know i will give AMD their fair share of lashing & scolding if these new gen cards turn out to give less value compared to last gen & if they pull a renaming BS over HD 5770. Resegmenting & realigning the name for this new gen, while confusing and could be annoying, will not bother me at all if it's priced all right & the performance is satisfying.



Now, that's quite surprising, but we'll see. A card based on 230 mm^2 chip shouldn't cost all that high (GTS 450 says so), so the pricing will reflect the products positioning & performance in the market, plus the saving/added value for customer with this new gen.



While i don't know the truth either way, the price is very much within reason with the variable that we know, chip size, VRAM capacity, PCB design. Whether it will give the right amount of performance for the price it commands, the market will be the judge. Like some other members comment, this chip certainly brings added efficiency while still built in the same process node (IF the performance leaks are correct), now it's up to AMD how much saving that they would put into their own coffer, and what portion goes to the consumers.



GF 104 is 367 mm^2 mm by people who has broke the card and measured it themselves. Judging from GF 106 & GF 108 sizes, i think they're correct & more believable.



Yes, i also thought that indeed nVidia has better contract, but how significant & extensive it is, we can't really tell. One thing for sure, AMD will have the pleasure of market choices beetween TSMC vs GloFo, being an ordinary, unpreferred costumer of TSMC, something that nVidia won't have with their preferred status.

And also yes, GTX 460s weren't full fledged chip cards, but we haven't seen the imaginary full fledged product in the market, have we ? Until then, it's nVidia's duty to prove that creating such product is feasible & doable within technical & economical constraint, outside that, just the noise of fanbois blabbering & forum bantering.



You're right buddy, though with the resegmenting & name realigning + market competitive environment + still built using the same process node, we can't expect the exact same price structure compared to last gen cards. Can we expect the added value, performance/$ for the consumers ? yes, i think we could.

Man, I can't believe you have such optimism from AMD, it's extreme.

Picking the side that appears the most in AMD favor.

The 6870 is as fast or faster than 5870.
The 6870 will be priced at 200 dollars.
Their is nothing wrong with the renaming.

How can you have such unwavering optimism?

AMD is going to price these to make max profit and that means barts xt is going to be higher than 215. The only way bart xt get near 200 is if it performs much more similar to the 5850 than the 5870 and even then, AMD is still more likely to price it at 250. The european leaked priced seem to indicate a 250 price.