AMD Radeon HD 6870 and HD 6850 confirmed to be launched on 22.10.2010

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Because it's not a high end card.

Remember, Juniper will be renamed to 67xx.

Well, 8600 GT wasn't a highend card, and that didn't stop it being priced at US$ 200+. The difference is, while Bart would be at worst half of Cayman & performs quite handsomely (around last gen top end single GPU card), G84 was a quarter of G80, the performance sucked bad yet nVidia had no problem putting it as their midrange card. OTOH, i think ATi would give better value, performance/$, in this gen compared to the last, while the card is still made in the same process node, something that isn't easy to pull, compared to spewing FUDs out of people's rear.

So, what did I tell you?

HD6850:
960 SP
775 MHz
4000 MHz GDDR5
$200

HD6870:
1120 SP
900 MHz
4200 MHz GDDR5
$275

You tell us nothing but FUDs throughout the ordeal. But it's okay, we'll see the truth in the end. I hope you'll be man enough to admit your wrong prediction is things unveiled not the way you described. I know i will give AMD their fair share of lashing & scolding if these new gen cards turn out to give less value compared to last gen & if they pull a renaming BS over HD 5770. Resegmenting & realigning the name for this new gen, while confusing and could be annoying, will not bother me at all if it's priced all right & the performance is satisfying.

Not even close........

The 6850 will be listed at $ 189
The 6870 will be listed at $ 215

Now, that's quite surprising, but we'll see. A card based on 230 mm^2 chip shouldn't cost all that high (GTS 450 says so), so the pricing will reflect the products positioning & performance in the market, plus the saving/added value for customer with this new gen.

I doubt those prices are correct. As I said before, it makes no business sense to release refreshed 5850/5870's at HALF the price. Either the cards will be slower than expected, and keep the cheap price tag, or they will be faster and be closer to the 58xx series.

If a miracle happens and ATI magically sets the prices above, then Nvidia will do big time price cutting, which is also good.

While i don't know the truth either way, the price is very much within reason with the variable that we know, chip size, VRAM capacity, PCB design. Whether it will give the right amount of performance for the price it commands, the market will be the judge. Like some other members comment, this chip certainly brings added efficiency while still built in the same process node (IF the performance leaks are correct), now it's up to AMD how much saving that they would put into their own coffer, and what portion goes to the consumers.

While i dont believe this prices too (makes no business sense for AMD) ,why do you say that ? Barts supposed to be 230mm2 , nvidias GF104 (aka GTX460 cards) are 330mm2 die size.Youre saying Nvidia losses BIG TIME on every 460 out there ?
As i see it ,those prices are totally doable, however due to weak competition ,i doubt that they will be true, probably around mid way between those and 58xx series ATM stand at.

GF 104 is 367 mm^2 mm by people who has broke the card and measured it themselves. Judging from GF 106 & GF 108 sizes, i think they're correct & more believable.

I have a weird feeling, that NV has much better contract with TSMC, than everybody thinks. Also GF104 is not fully fledged chip, but Barts probably is.

Yes, i also thought that indeed nVidia has better contract, but how significant & extensive it is, we can't really tell. One thing for sure, AMD will have the pleasure of market choices beetween TSMC vs GloFo, being an ordinary, unpreferred costumer of TSMC, something that nVidia won't have with their preferred status.

And also yes, GTX 460s weren't full fledged chip cards, but we haven't seen the imaginary full fledged product in the market, have we ? Until then, it's nVidia's duty to prove that creating such product is feasible & doable within technical & economical constraint, outside that, just the noise of fanbois blabbering & forum bantering.

I don't understand ... the 6870 -6850 are in the new serie 6K the same line of the 5770 was for the old.... why will you they have the price of the top range ? they are designed for compet with the GTX460 .. with performance higher of the 5850... but it's a new series ... if 6870-6850 have performance of the old 5850-5870 and so the same price, what will happend with 6950-6970-6990? they will sell the 6970 @ 700 dollars and the 6990 @ 1200 dollars ?

Price are fixed by the place got thoses cards in term of performance on the series + competition prices .. They are not based on perf vs old series... or we had pay 2x more for top gpu's with all new series... gpu's will cost 3000dollars so ...

6870 = middle class gpu's = ~ 5770 prices ... (official launch price, not the price you find right now in shop ... here you can find shop who sell 5770 @165CHF (short stock), this make 170dollars )
6970 = Enthusiast, high class gpu = ~ 5870 prices..

You're right buddy, though with the resegmenting & name realigning + market competitive environment + still built using the same process node, we can't expect the exact same price structure compared to last gen cards. Can we expect the added value, performance/$ for the consumers ? yes, i think we could.