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[savantu]

All is not well with Intels 32nm process either and Intel has much more experience with 32nm than GF. Now the problem with Intel's 32nm gives rise to lower production and another thermal related problem "Cant go much further into either"

Anyways Intel is working its arse off to fix the problems and quite soon enough these will be rectified, i know that the thermal problem will be fixed before sandy bridge goes into full out production.

Well the fact of the matter is both GF and Intel has problems with 32nm, maybe GF has SOI+gate 1st approach to thank but that does not dim the fact that "32nm is harder to adopt than 45nm"

What is the problem ? I keep hearing about this on this site, yet nowhere else. Is it a case of " if you repeat something enough times it will become truth " ?
Intel's ramp up and process quality has been astounding since 90nm. Even there, the problem was Prescott and not the process which was excellent. Every assement, either by Intel through presentations at conferences or done by independent reviewers showed no issues.

Yields is always bad in the beginning of each processes, no news there. How can you possibly try to use this fact against AMD and GloFo?
Was Intel in equally deep when their 32nm yields was bad? Is every company doomed every time they change a process?

EDIT: I don't think anyone would expect GloFos 32nm to be a mature process yet. That the yields isn't there they want them is what we expect at this point.

Yields follow a preset curve on any process introduction and ramp up. The problem is, the 32nm SOI HKMG process isn't following the preset curve and deadlines. That's why 32nm products were pushed 6 months later.
So you're arguing a false dillema. The issue isn't that yeilds are bad at introduction ( which is normal ), but the processes schedules aren't met which inserts delays into products build on that process.

Nah, you got it wrong Savantu. The problem is not that you comment quite critically over some things going on at AMD/GF.

The problem is that we don't see you doing the same on Intel matters/threads. If you would be impartial and as hard on Intel as you are on AMD than nobody would care what your attitude is.

Well, there are few things I can be critical with Intel on CPUs since their execution from the Cedar Mill/Presler generation has been excellent.
What else to complain ? The price ? Well, getting the best on time has a price.