drawing conclusions from their sheer transistor count is not a good idea...Originally Posted by mapel110
and calling the 5870 a midrange chip is a pretty weird statement... ati had to go for multi display setups to find a configuration that makes use of all the graphics performance it offers...
it was a pciE rep? i thought somebody just checked the list on the pci sig site? note that i looked at real meassured power consumption, not tdp and peak values... of course you can build a mars like card, but we all know that cooling was a major issue with that card and it wasnt stable at stock speeds with some people as it simply ran too hot. and that was with a huge and expensive heatsink already... like i said, above 300W you reach a point where any extra watt of power makes the pcb, pwm and heatsink designs exponentially more expensive.
yes, but why should software suddenly, magically, catch up? why should there not only be a lot of dx11 games, but good dx11 games, and then not only good dx11 games but good dx 11 games that use compute shaders so much that gf100 has an advantage from it? i just dont see that happening... sure, eventually games will demand a lot more tesselation and compute shader power, but by then we will have second and most likely third or 4th gen dx11 hardware and all this first gen dx11 stuff will be useless.
yes, but the tdp values only matter for certificates and verification with pci sig... im more interested in feasability of card above 300W than whether it can be certified
more 8 vs 1 fps, 1.3gb vs 1gb nonsense...
it does... but this one is a fake
whoever did it made a loooot of mistakes, i think he wanted people to know its fake, the mistakes are too obvious...
15fps average...and more 1.3gb vs 1gb nonsense...
thats like asking you what the difference between an elephant and a llama is in your opinionits not an opinion, it IS a different standard... why evga keeps making this mistake, who knows... either they dont know, which is very possible, they are marketing people after all, or, they say ddr+high number because it makes it sound more advanced... everybody knows that his system is using ddr2 or ddr3 memory, and if they think the memory on the card is 2 or 3 generations ahead many n00bs probably go whOooOOoOAaAaaA
yes, totally agree
buy a next gen card that DOES support the next standard, but when it comes to performance, focus on current games.
that doesnt make it correct, does it?
some cards actually do use ddr memory as its cheaper, especially entry level and mainstream cards tend to use ddr2 and ddr3 these days as its fast enough and cheaper.
yes, i totally agree... that was nvidias strategy with gt200 as well, wider bus means they can use cheaper slower memory and still beat ati in bandwidth and they dont need to push clocks really high which can be a pita. since they need all the performance they can get though, i wouldnt be surprised if they actually go for fast gddr5 now... probably as fast as they can get it to run... since their gddr5 controller is first gen or maaaybe second gen, im not sure how high they will be able to get... the imc will be the same or a slightly tweaked version of that in the gt21x 10.1 40nm cards and those only clock in at 3500mhz effective...
5870 xfire might be good enough though, and cheaper...
totally agree
hogging hw performance "for later" is the most foolish thing you can do in IT
crysis warhead numbers look interesting!
well maaaybe, just maaaybe thats because nvidia was creating a huge hype with several events and claiming 40-60% over 5870?
So a mere 7 to 9 month wait gets you an extra 5% performance. With probably an additional 15% power consumption.
Impressive Nvidia, impressive.gt200 (295) vs gt300 (470/480)
~5-20% extra performance
~5-20% extra power consumption
~5-40% higher price
+dx11
+single gpu instead of dual gpu
i think thats actually pretty damn good, and its not like ati did any better...
the 5870 is slower than the 4870x2 and costs more, consumed less power and was a single gpu and had dx11 which made it acceptable... while the 470 will probably lose to the 295, the 480 definately wont. more perf comes at a cost, more power and a higher price. i think the price doesnt justified the extra performance, especially because more performance at higher prices is not what 90% of the market needs and wants right now... but hey, market demand will take care of that, and im sure there are enough people who are willing to pay huge prices for the fastest single gpu card. the only problem i see for nvidia is availability...
if you compare the last product cycles from ati and nvidia, the differences are that nvidia uses more power and costs more, but also offers a performance boost while ati couldnt even reach the performance of their previous gen highend dual gpu card... ati was able to ship though, slowly and with a few bumps, but they could... even the 470 seems to be veeery limited in numbers :/
i think this is a clasical example of a pr hype actually hurting the product because it drove expecations too high... and it was a bad decision to focus so much on more performance for a higher price instead of the same performance for a lower price, as performance really isnt such a limiting factor for todays gaming pcs...
the specs look fine though, performance is good i think, price is acceptable, so is the power cosumption and heat... but availability... thats a real issue... not all that much for nvidia, but for its partners its a huge problem... they need some business to make money...
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