The GT300/Fermi Thread - Part 2!

[zalbard]

As I don't want to dig into this useless thread...What's about GTX4XX? Wasn't it supposed to be GF100? Renaming again? What happens to GTX3XX, they just skip that number?

Fermi is supposed to become GTX4XX, GTX3XX belongs to renamed parts, apparently (possibly using DX10.1).

[Jowy Atreides]

As I don't want to dig into this useless thread...What's about GTX4XX? Wasn't it supposed to be GF100? Renaming again? What happens to GTX3XX, they just skip that number?

They've renamed the GTX 2XX mobile chips to the GTX3xx cards.

So that 9800gt in your laptop with the fake title of GTX 280M which imitates an architecture it doesn't have has now become the GTX360M faking yet another architecture change

The 9800M is not a GT200 or a GF100.

[Sam_oslo]

We all know that nVidia is going to rename old junk anyways, but separating the naming category from the new products is a a good, and welcome new move.

[Tim]

yes and forums wouldnt exist, there would only be 1000 chatrooms on the whole net and 5 news websites... is that really what you want?

There are little to no constructive posts found in this thread, hence my post in my opinion is valid. It's just the same old same old rehashed over and over again. Now it's even more of a load of rubbish with even less info.

Forums would exist, and they would be a lot more interesting if people would post some more 'useful' things.

Every day I check this thread and it's bla bla this bla bla that. It's probably because Fermi is so late that I just can't bear this stuff anymore, usually it isn't as bad and actually quite entertaining sometimes, because there is actually stuff to discuss. Now there is nothing much to discuss anymore, and people still keep yapping.

[Yvese]

There are little to no constructive posts found in this thread, hence my post in my opinion is valid. It's just the same old same old rehashed over and over again. Now it's even more of a load of rubbish with even less info.

Forums would exist, and they would be a lot more interesting if people would post some more 'useful' things.

Every day I check this thread and it's bla bla this bla bla that. It's probably because Fermi is so late that I just can't bear this stuff anymore, usually it isn't as bad and actually quite entertaining sometimes, because there is actually stuff to discuss. Now there is nothing much to discuss anymore, and people still keep yapping.

Agreed.

Thread should be closed cause everyone has been repeating the same junk for months. I'm sure most of you enjoy repeating yourselves, but I, like other third party readers, hate reading the same thing for the 10th time.

[Teemax]

It's not just the consumers, also the shop managers often have no clue about various brands and models of hardware. Whenever I see one of them 'helping' one of the customers... I really wish I wouldn't hear what they were suggesting.
So no wonder renaming works for Nvidia so well.
Most people only look at the numbers... model number, price, VRAM amount, that's it. And a lot assume that the more they pay the better product they get... So there is a lot of room for ridiculous pricing, and people are more than happy to buy such stuff.

Same experience here. Most of the times I overhear IT "advices" from department store, I realize that those store guys know pretty much nothing about hardware.

Actually, I know plenty of IT engineers, and surprising enough not THAT many of them follow hardware development closely.

[GoldenTiger]

Same experience here. Most of the times I overhear IT "advices" from department store, I realize that those store guys know pretty much nothing about hardware.

Actually, I know plenty of IT engineers, and surprising enough not THAT many of them follow hardware development closely.

Ditto on the stores. Also, surprisingly enough as you said, not many software developers really know much in-depth on the hardware side of things from what I have seen in the dev community . It was definitely a shock to me when I started to seriously work on developing.

[josiahsuarez]

since we're already into February now, who wants to speculate on a more specific launch date. I've heard both 'March 2' and 'end of March' recently

[labs23]

^No one will, because no one can(or everybody can).

Guess we'll just have to wait till some solid info will surface soon.
No offense but I mean we've gone for a 2nd thread already for much of that "speculation".

[Jowy Atreides]

since we're already into February now, who wants to speculate on a more specific launch date. I've heard both 'March 2' and 'end of March' recently

April 16th

[GoldenTiger]

April 16th

I hope sooner than that .

[LordEC911]

As I don't want to dig into this useless thread...What's about GTX4XX? Wasn't it supposed to be GF100? Renaming again? What happens to GTX3XX, they just skip that number?

GF100 is the codename for the silicon. Rumors/info first started out, for the same chip, as GT300/G300. Fermi is the codename for the architecture.

since we're already into February now, who wants to speculate on a more specific launch date. I've heard both 'March 2' and 'end of March' recently

March 9th is the earliest it will launch.

April 16th

That is a date for something else... not the "launch" date of Geforce parts.

We all know that nVidia is going to rename old junk anyways, but separating the naming category from the new products is a a good, and welcome new move.

I agree, if this is the start of some relatively normal naming/branding of their products. I say relatively because no system is perfect but the last few years from Nvidia hasn't exactly been good.

[saaya]

That is a date for something else... not the "launch" date of Geforce parts.

then what? the actual availability of geforce parts?
cause THATS the date people really care about

mid april, thats late q1.... LATE q1... but yeah fermi is launching and will be available in retail in mid november, mid q4 2009... right... :P
i dont believe any of the dates floating around... nvidia has changed dates of fermi for so many times its beyond ridiculous...
they should just say its done when its done, and thats that...
"it will be a kick4ss product when it launches and good things need time..."

what difference does it make if they launch it in april or may? as if 1 more month would make a difference...

[trinibwoy]

Metro 2033 is supposedly some big TWIMTBP/PhysX title so I'm expecting it to at least paper launch around the same time - March 16th.

[NapalmV5]

gtx: 470 vs 480: what if 480 is 50-70% faster ??

then again maybe just 10-20% as the model numbers would suggest

[Sam_oslo]

gtx: 470 vs 480: what if 480 is 50-70% faster ??

then again maybe just 10-20% as the model numbers would suggest

The performance difference will probably be ~20%, but the price won't be propositional, in good nVidia tradition.

[eric66]

gtx: 470 vs 480: what if 480 is 50-70% faster ??

then again maybe just 10-20% as the model numbers would suggest

you smoke too much you know that right

[To(V)bo Co(V)bo]

then what? the actual availability of geforce parts?
cause THATS the date people really care about

mid april, thats late q1.... LATE q1... but yeah fermi is launching and will be available in retail in mid november, mid q4 2009... right... :P
i dont believe any of the dates floating around... nvidia has changed dates of fermi for so many times its beyond ridiculous...
they should just say its done when its done, and thats that...
"it will be a kick4ss product when it launches and good things need time..."

what difference does it make if they launch it in april or may? as if 1 more month would make a difference...

You got it all wrong saaya

Nvidia said stop STOP! dont buy a Ati 5800, Fermi's almost done! its gonna burn a hole out your underwear.........

(1 year later at launch) See, I told you fermi was tits on a ritz, but its gonna cost you 2x as much as a 5850 for all the time and money we lost trying to make it.

[Sly Fox]

Nvidia said stop STOP! dont buy a Ati 5800, Fermi's almost done! its gonna burn a hole out your underwear.........

(1 year later at launch) See, I told you fermi was tits on a ritz, but its gonna cost you 2x as much as a 5850 for all the time and money we lost trying to make it.

But... But... But... Nvidia. They made a good card (G80) in 2006, so they're the best!

Remember the GeForce 4! It was really good too!

At some point, I just lost all faith in Nvidia. They really need to get their act together and put up or shut up.

[zalbard]

Remember the GeForce 4! It was really good too!

GeForce 4 MX was a really awesome product that totally didn't hold back the gaming industry tech wise for at least a year, yeah...

[zsamz_]

GeForce 4 MX was a really awesome product that totally didn't hold back the gaming industry tech wise for at least a year, yeah...

i was surprised i never saw a 8800mx aka gf100mx

[Sly Fox]

GeForce 4 MX was a really awesome product that totally didn't hold back the gaming industry tech wise for at least a year, yeah...

Ummm... You're going to bring up the value card?

Ti 4200? Ti 4400? Ti 4600?

Disagreeing with me just for the sake of disagreeing is a little bit silly tbh.

And just for the record if all you're saying is that the MX series was ty, I agree with you 100%.

But it sounds like you're trying to discredit my claim based on the MX series, and I do take issue with that.

[zalbard]

Disagreeing with me just for the sake of disagreeing is a little bit silly tbh.

Well, it was a huge fail, period. Lots and lots and lots of people bought GF4 MX those days (no one was used to the renaming crap) just cause it was GF4, yet it was pretty much a slightly optimised GF2 MX card (DX7!) without no shader support whatsoever... and it was waaaay too damn popular, sadly.
Even Carmack himself mentioned that it's one of the reasons Doom 3 was delayed, lol.

[Sly Fox]

Well, it was a huge fail, period. Lots and lots and lots of people bought GF4 MX those days (no one was used to the renaming crap) just cause it was GF4, yet it was pretty much a slightly optimised GF2 MX card (DX7!) without no shader support whatsoever... and it was waaaay too damn popular, sadly.
Even Carmack himself mentioned that it's one of the reasons Doom 3 was delayed, lol.

Yea I'm sorry if I came off overly defensive; you're absolutely right about all that. It was a complete dirt pile of a card.

I just loved my Ti4400, so I get a little up in arms when someone insults anything involving the words geforce and 4 in the same sentence.

[zalbard]

Yea I'm sorry if I came off overly defensive, you're absolutely right about that. It was a complete dirt pile of a card. :ROTF

No worries.
GF4 Ti rocked, indeed. Especially compared to the leaf blower follow up!