The benchmarks were posted in the forums by a member who joined in november (if i remember correctly) and it is very possibly the same person who posted the other benchmarks in the tomshardware forums a day before (which were proved to be fake)Originally Posted by initialised
I think AMD/ATI knows better than anybody of us how good Fermi will be. My guess is that GTX380 is of course faster than HD-5870 and GTX395 (Dual GPU) faster than HD-5970. That's what they might need HD-5990 for
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Why would there be no point in launching it?Umm, because like everyone else they know that Fermi will be faster than 5870 or there would be no point in even launching it.
not because AMD thinks this bench is real
That means that AMD should pack up shop and go home because they do not have an i7 killer yet? Or that they should not improve their current line up because people should just get an Intel chip?
I disagree with that. I hope Fermi does come out sooner than expected, and performs better than expected, it should drive ATi to improve their line up and/or drop prices on what they have. I am riding hte 4800 series train right now
As a "last gen" GPU buyer, when Fermi is released prices should drop enough on the 200 series that I should get to play with a few of them too
Ati fears fermi like the devil the holy water.
Nvidia's Fermi GTX480 is broken and unfixable,Hot, slow, late and unmanufacturable
As we have been saying since last May, Fermi GF100 is the wrong chip, made the wrong way, for the wrong reasons.
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If we assume that the devil and as well Fermi exists that might be true. Its always good to know what competition is up to...
Well there you have it.
Memory bandwith will become more and more important down the road, and hopefully make them rethink their entire pipelines, both HW and SW. They'll need something of a XDR2/wider buses or both. Bigger buckets, small pipes just doesn't work anymore.
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True, maybe they are just being smarter about leaking it this time...
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Lets get real, YES the GTX380 will be faster than the 5870 otherwise nVidia would loose a lot of money. But thers no way that the GTX380 beats the 5970 by that amount just not logical. I mean, How come the 380 with its very large die size with 40nm is only using ~200w? There is physics laws to take into consideration. And the 380 will not cost anything less than 500$ with that large die size, trust me nVidia would be loosing money. Both company's use sideshows with performance indicator : 1.2x performance, 1.5x... not showing the fps like that slideshow posted by "successful troll". I am curious to know 003 how nVidia will be able to produce a Dual Fermi without really going low on specs and clocks? Not logical again. Really, if those bench's are for real, then, don't get disappointed, the Fermi will not see the light of the day until 3-4 months and then we can speculate about the HD6xxx launch.Oh yeah, how come thers no Crysis and DX11 benchmarks which are the main selling point of those cards?
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yeah i bet they donot that it is frightening like nvidias current situation
because of the size of Fermi. If they had to price it below 5870 it would be very costly to them I would assume.Why would there be no point in launching it?
That means that AMD should pack up shop and go home because they do not have an i7 killer yet? Or that they should not improve their current line up because people should just get an Intel chip?
I disagree with that. I hope Fermi does come out sooner than expected, and performs better than expected, it should drive ATi to improve their line up and/or drop prices on what they have. I am riding hte 4800 series train right now
As a "last gen" GPU buyer, when Fermi is released prices should drop enough on the 200 series that I should get to play with a few of them too
Where as with AMD. They are able to at least make a little money with there CPU's thanks to the higher prices of I7 platform.
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whats the size of the ATI's?
Ugh all these new people coming into this thread saying 'if it's real' or anything like that.. please atleast read the first few pages before posting. It's annoying reading new posts that repeat what everyone has said
Im just resuming everything in one postUgh all these new people coming into this thread saying 'if it's real' or anything like that.. please atleast read the first few pages before posting. It's annoying reading new posts that repeat what everyone has said
rv870 330 mm^2
Fermi something around 500 mm^2
LOLUgh all these new people coming into this thread saying 'if it's real' or anything like that.. please atleast read the first few pages before posting. It's annoying reading new posts that repeat what everyone has said
Every post that comments on it must include the caveat "If it's real" otherwise they will get lambasted for assuming it is
Which it is pretty safe to assume it is not.
Slightly OT but I am wondering how 5970 with over 4TFLOPS of power can perform worse than a card with 1/3 of the crunching power. Also assuming that the 1.7TFLOP of the 380 is genuine of course
i take it that they will run hot then
you guys talk like fermi is just a refresh.. let me remind you its not
dont be surprised how and why fermi is more than twice as fast than 280/285 and faster than the 5000 series
amds gonna need their new 6000 series (whatever theyre going to name) to combat dual fermi.. 5890/5990 refreshes to keep as close as possibleI think AMD/ATI knows better than anybody of us how good Fermi will be. My guess is that GTX380 is of course faster than HD-5870 and GTX395 (Dual GPU) faster than HD-5970. That's what they might need HD-5990 for
If we take into account actual product launches who needed what to compete?
This time Nvidia is really late and I imagine they will feel the breath of both ATI HD 5890/5990 and HD 6000 on their necks.
Hmm, I dont see the point, I currently have the 5970 so I am really not trying to defend nVidia. Yes 5970 has lots of raw power, but that depends on drivers, only if nVidia would code for ATi, we would see true 4tera in gamesLOL
Every post that comments on it must include the caveat "If it's real" otherwise they will get lambasted for assuming it is
Which it is pretty safe to assume it is not.
Slightly OT but I am wondering how 5970 with over 4TFLOPS of power can perform worse than a card with 1/3 of the crunching power. Also assuming that the 1.7TFLOP of the 380 is genuine of course
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True.
I own ATI and will own ATI for my next upgrade. I was just stating something I noticed, I didn't look at the graphs for any more than 30 seconds...
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The architecture is indeed an unknown variable in this game called graphic-card-industry. Still, seeing and believing NVIDIA thinks the future is HPC I'm not all that optimistic about Fermi's gaming performance. Who knows how many transistors are there for solely for HPC and GPGPU?
Depending on Fermi's performance. But we don't know much about the 6k-series either, only that AMD/ATI said RV870 will be the last GPU based on R600's architecture. The 6k-series might be "late" to the party as well.
Who knows? Only god (or one of your gods ; if there are gods).
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nvidia does try and go beyond just gaming. if i had to use CUDA just a little, i might not care that i get 5FPS less compared to an equally priced ATI card, cause you are getting some bonus features. which may not be for everyone, but do exist and do have a purpose.
Noone's questioning that, I know there are people who bought NVIDIA's cards just because they are dedicated to folding. Is this a problem? Nope
But, I personally think we here are more interested in it's graphics performance
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so amd didnt need the 5000 series to compete ? lolIf we take into account actual product launches who needed what to compete?
This time Nvidia is really late and I imagine they will feel the breath of both ATI HD 5890/5990 and HD 6000 on their necks.
nvidia needs fermi.. then amd needs the next gen and so forth.. nothing new.. repeating history
lol what you guys think those shaders do ? they just sit around and wait for direct computing when gaming ? just because the gpu is multi purpose dont mean it sux @ gaming or its not a gaming gpu
look those of you that have the 5000 series enjoyem while you can.. cometh fermi enjoy lower prices from amd.. rejoice that amd will work hard @ their next gen
whose the loser here ?? amd/nivida make $.. we all enjoy new graphics.. win win for all
I didn't mean the shaders. But iIrc Fermi has quite massive cache as well. Is this needed for gaming and SP-performance? Just one example
But I'm afraid I have no clue about such things
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