Waterblocks on i7 - Part 5

[YMAA]

Any chance of testing the Supreme with the nozzle plate removed? I did that for a while on my E8400 but I'd be interested to see how it fares on i7. I'm running a rather restrictive loop at the moment...Supreme + Fuzion GFX 2 + RS360 + MCR220 + PA120.1. Running the Supreme without the accelerator plate seemed to make it more free-flowing than the Sapphire Rev. A it replaced, but any real performance data on how it affects performance on i7 would be awesome

[Guacamole]

Thanks for all the hardwork fellas this is a great discussion very informative...

I just bought the Enzotech Saphire from Newegg for $34.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835708019

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835708019

[VictorWang]

wow, that's really an amazing test !
great job !
and glad to see that koolance 350ac on the 2nd place

[Hondacity]

wow, that's really an amazing test !
great job !
and glad to see that koolance 350ac on the 2nd place

确实很强大吧,但也是水阻最大的,也就是对泵要求最高的, 嘿嘿.
老王从来不忽悠, lol

what is that in english?

[pika198]

The Enzotech Sapphire is just AMAZING! $35 and it beats the majority of the blocks that cost double. Just amazing

[headala]

确实很强大吧,但也是水阻最大的,也就是对泵要求最高的, 嘿嘿.
老王从来不忽悠, lol

what is that in english?

'It's really powerful, but also has the most restriction, so the requirements for the pump are higher (laugh).'

(I don't understand the last sentence, maybe he's referring to someone...literally would be "old king from where not suddenly you(female)")

[mpower1001]

Thanks for all the hardwork fellas this is a great discussion very informative...

I just bought the Enzotech Saphire from Newegg for $34.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835708019

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835708019

I have to say that the Enzotech is a beautiful looking block and performs great

I'm definitely getting this sweet block

Thanks for the link

[Navanod]

确实很强大吧,但也是水阻最大的,也就是对泵要求最高的, 嘿嘿.
老王从来不忽悠, lol

what is that in english?

"Indeed it is very powerful, but at the same time, also very restrictive hence the most demanding on the pump, hehe.
Old "Wang" has never bullsh1tted anyone before (or something to that effect)"

I would assume that Old (surname) "Wang" (which is how some chinese people like to address themselves by putting an "Old" before their family surname, kinda like a nick) is the person who made the 1st statement about the restriction and pump requirements.

[HESmelaugh]

I have to say that the Enzotech is a beautiful looking block and performs great

I'm definitely getting this sweet block

Thanks for the link

I really like the Sapphire Rev. A as well. I just wish they made it a bit easier to mount. With the retention kit for i7 it's actually a lot less bother to mount than on a 775 socket, I found.

[mpower1001]

I really like the Sapphire Rev. A as well. I just wish they made it a bit easier to mount. With the retention kit for i7 it's actually a lot less bother to mount than on a 775 socket, I found.

I just noticed the Enzotech i7 mounting kit

They should make it just like the EK supreme

Just make a new bracket like this:

[Moitrux]

In an other test (a german test) the Ybris Eclipse has a lower restriction than the HK 3.0, I think it's curious ...

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community...d.php?t=549569

[Wezly]

This is the kind of review I have been looking for. Incredibly done sir.

It poses two problems for me however; I have to either find a review of an unlapped CPU, or start lapping!

[Arthur]

Hey @HESmelaugh,

I really appriciate your hard work out there and congratulations. I just wanted ask a few questions about your test and HK CPU waterblocks here. If you can nanswer them, I'll be glad to hear them from you.

1. I do not know what was your ambient temps when you ran this test, can you tell me exactly what it is? I suppose I could not see that in this thread.

2. HK 3.0 LC has approx. 150g weight and HK 3.0 has approx. 400g weight. If I observed your test with right way, HK 3.0 LC is better than HK 3.0. Your test also says that high copper and stainless steel density are not always good enough to cooling our CPU.

3. The most of i7 users using the HK 3.0 because of that it has high price (many people believes that if it has high price, it should be better than other HKs) and high copper and stainless steel density on it. If I am right about my second question here, will they sad about their HK 3.0 LOL?

Thanks,
Arthur

Note that all: English is not my native language because of that sometimes I cannot express myself clearly. I hopu you understand that here.

[Mech0z]

Hey @HESmelaugh1. I do not know what was your ambient temps when you ran this test, can you tell me exactly what it is? I suppose I could not see that in this thread.

Remember ambient do not matter as long as you meassure the Delta T which I am 99% sure HES did as there is no way a I7 will run 30c on load unless you live in some very cold place!

2. HK 3.0 LC has approx. 150g weight and HK 3.0 has approx. 400g weight. If I observed your test with right way, HK 3.0 LC is better than HK 3.0. Your test also says that high copper and stainless steel density are not always good enough to cooling our CPU..

The Copper version of the HK outperforms the LC by 1.3c but the Copper version is 2 - 2.5 times more expensive so you have to decide if you think that difference is worth the price premium!

3. The most of i7 users using the HK 3.0 because of that it has high price (many people believes that if it has high price, it should be better than other HKs) and high copper and stainless steel density on it. If I am right about my second question here, will they sad about their HK 3.0 LOL?

This is answered in part 2, the copper version is the best of the blocks (A tiny bit better than the standard none copper LT) and its more expensive to produce due to the amount of copper in the block. I personally would buy the LT as it have almost the same performance as the copper and its noticeable cheaper, but if the budget is tight then go for the Enzotech or the HK LT. Hope this helps

[Arthur]

Hey mate,

Thanks for quick replying my questions here.

Remember ambient do not matter as long as you meassure the Delta T which I am 99% sure HES did as there is no way a I7 will run 30c on load unless you live in some very cold place!

I already knew that but I just wanted to be sure about that. Its oke now.

The Copper version of the HK outperforms the LC by 1.3c but the Copper version is 2 - 2.5 times more expensive so you have to decide if you think that difference is worth the price premium!

I suppose there is no big deal to end users. Anyone can expect a few different degrees on their block. HK 3.0 LC (LGA 775 and 1366 same price) is selling only from $49.95 on PerformancePCs. Its really good price/performance CPU WC Block for us now.

This is answered in part 2, the copper version is the best of the blocks (A tiny bit better than the standard none copper LT) and its more expensive to produce due to the amount of copper in the block. I personally would buy the LT as it have almost the same performance as the copper and its noticeable cheaper, but if the budget is tight then go for the Enzotech or the HK LT. Hope this helps

Sorry mate, I suppose I could not see it in part 2. But its oke now. I'll highly consider to purchase the HK 3.0 LC and HK 3.0 when its time come.

Thanks again,
Arthur

[HESmelaugh]

In an other test (a german test) the Ybris Eclipse has a lower restriction than the HK 3.0, I think it's curious ...

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community...d.php?t=549569

Yes, I saw that too, at the time I did the testing. I discussed this with the author of the linked review as well as the guys at Ybris, but we couldn't find out the cause. I opened, cleaned, reassembled and remounted the Ybris block several times, trying to find out what was going on.

@Arthur:
The Ambient temps were between 21 and 24 degrees Celsius during all of the test runs. The temperatures shown are the delta-temperatures of all the four core-temperatures averaged out minus the water-temperature. This is the most reproducible temperature measure in a watercooling setup.

As for the other questions, MechOz has answered those already. The Low Cost (LC) HK 3.0 doesn't perform quite as well as the copper version. This has nothing to do with the fact that the copper version has a copper/stainless steel top, but is rather because the internals of the HK 3.0 and HK 3.0 LT are different from the internals of the HK 3.0 LC.

[Arthur]

@Arthur:
The Ambient temps were between 21 and 24 degrees Celsius during all of the test runs. The temperatures shown are the delta-temperatures of all the four core-temperatures averaged out minus the water-temperature. This is the most reproducible temperature measure in a watercooling setup.

As for the other questions, MechOz has answered those already. The Low Cost (LC) HK 3.0 doesn't perform quite as well as the copper version. This has nothing to do with the fact that the copper version has a copper/stainless steel top, but is rather because the internals of the HK 3.0 and HK 3.0 LT are different from the internals of the HK 3.0 LC.

Thanks alot for your answers too mate. I totally understood your thoughts here.

Cheers,
Arthur

PS: We want an another test all about WC Radiators from you LOL.

[HESmelaugh]

PS: We want an another test all about WC Radiators from you LOL.

Have a look at this one.

More radiator reviews coming soon(ish).

[Arthur]

Have a look at this one.

More radiator reviews coming soon(ish).

OMG mate, another hard work out there, I checking it out too right away.

Thanks again,
Arthur

[millertime359]

PS: We want an another test all about WC Radiators from you LOL.

Take a look in the stickies too. That one that HES linked you is there, along with a few others.

[woffen]

Did anyone ever finish testing with a lapped/unlapped cpu to see if it affects performance of any of the blocks, specially the GTZ?

[skinnee]

Not finished yet unfortunately.

[woffen]

Looking at your test schedule I'm not surprised at all Nice that someone has the time and interest to do these tests, thanks once again skinnee

[IFMU]

Very nice runs there and some interesting info.

I do have one serious question though. Something that, just needs to be answered.

What are you going to do with all those useless blocks now that you've finished up with them?
I would like to throw out there that, rather than just throwing them away, I myself would be more than willing to make the sacrifice to take one of them off of your hands and put it to work on my blockless i7 rig. I mean, it is better for them to be used than just sit and rust am I right?

[HESmelaugh]

You know, most of these blocks are just sitting around in their packaging. I know it would be very nice of me to give them away, but I'm just not like that. :P

No, seriously: I mainly keep the blocks because I need to reuse many of them at some point. I always keep some for reference (whenever I test a new block, I first retest one of the others to check if I still get the same results) and many blocks are re-used for other testing scenarios or videos.