I'm really hoping the R800's Power connectors are on the top and not the side...Originally Posted by Manicdan
There would be no room to plug in - in a standard sized case.
I'm really hoping the R800's Power connectors are on the top and not the side...
There would be no room to plug in - in a standard sized case.
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Most of that isn't being confirmed... by anyone.
What is the deal with 20SIMDs? Only logical explanation is if they meant there are 20ALUs in a SIMD, i.e. there are 16SIMDs.
Also, codenames are different from what is being leaked from a very good source.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...postcount=1746
Edit- Estimated performance scores were confirmed.
Last edited by LordEC911; 08-18-2009 at 02:03 PM.
Originally Posted by motown_steve
Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.
Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
the price ranges are way to extreme, there is no card between 200 and 350, and that gap is way to big to not have filled.
$349 for the 2gb, $299 for the 1gb and a lower clocked chip for $249. (last one I'm not sure about)
I also don't think they will change up the naming that much.
It has been hinted that Hemlock is 59x0 and Cypress is 58x0.
So with that I would guess that Cedar is 57x0, Juniper is 56x0 and Redwood is 53x0.
Originally Posted by motown_steve
Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.
Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
I wouldn't get too attached to those rumours
I think there is a hint in the 3 different scores for Cypress. Which may indicate 3 different cards in this series.
5890 Higher End of the series = P18XXX (possibly with 2 gigs of ram, higher overclocks, etc)
5870 Regular Clock Edition = P17xxx
5850 Regular Clock Edition = P16xxx
But time will tell...On a side note, I was hoping for a single 6-pin connector.
Last edited by Eastcoasthandle; 08-18-2009 at 03:53 PM.
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i hope we see a much smaller lineup that makes more sense than the 4000 series. before they had clock speeds combined with ram types, with everything (hopfully) GDDR5, they can just keep it simple
For Cypress?
I saw something about a 30% performance increase with the same power requirements as a 4870.
So maybe that is Juniper?
Originally Posted by motown_steve
Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.
Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
business as usual, would be nice is there were some surprises.
No, considering ATI is doing the EXACT SAME THING they did for the last 3 launches.
Which is what exactly?
Originally Posted by motown_steve
Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.
Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
Remember what happened last time?
Hint: GTX280 $200 price drop...
1600sp 32rop but still 256-bit mem ?!?
5870x ridiculous!! very disappointing
a 512-bit would put nvidia in the corner and give it a good beatin
ill wait for 6870 but the way things are goin..
I took that ride...Remember what happened last time?
Hint: GTX280 $200 price drop...
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Why is it every friggin time this happens someone brings up 512-bit again??1600sp 32rop but still 256-bit mem ?!?
5870x ridiculous!! very disappointing
a 512-bit would put nvidia in the corner and give it a good beatin
ill wait for 6870 but the way things are goin..
Bandwidth is bandwidth, and if it can't being used, it's a waste of card space, power, and money!!
Why do 512 if 256 does the same?
And FWIW, ATI cards seem to be more efficient with memory and bandwidth use. See how the ATI 4850's scaled with resolution and AA vs. a G92 card...
Just to add a little more, they would have to add at least ~100mm2 to the die size to even be large enough to not be pad limited w/ a 512bit bus.
That completely goes against the whole sweetspot strategy...
Originally Posted by motown_steve
Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.
Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
While 512 bit buswidth is rather out of question, wouldn't it be so sweet if Cypress was equipped with 384 bit buswidth, if it comes as a 360 mm^2 chip, i think it wouldn't be pad limited. Just imagine, a 360 mm^2 chip with 1920 SPs, 96 TMUs, 36 RBEs on 384 bit buswidth (6 RBEs per 64 bit mem controller) using 1.5 GB of 1.2 GHz GDDR5 chips, greatness !!
They probably do not need it. Gddr5 isn't getting any slower with each passing generation. It would just be an unnecessary expense
I dunno, it seems GDDR5 development have been stunted in the first half of 2009, with all of these economic malaises, the production ramp up and speed development have not been as fast as it should be. Considering nVidia can sell a more complicated card with 448 bit buswidth with such a low price, i think 384 bit buswidth PCB isn't necessary all that expensive. Naah, it's just a wet dream of mine, nevermind.
RBEs need to be setup in quads.
BTW- There was talk about a 192bit 960SPs mainstream chip but that seems to have been replaced by Juniper.
Originally Posted by motown_steve
Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.
Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
There's a simple formula each card should follow...and that is:
next gen = 2*previous gen
If the 5890 or w/e they call it is as fast as a 4870 x2 or even dual 4890's, I will be happy.
From what I can tell, this is exactly what's going to happen.
What do you suspect the price point of thew HD5870 x2 to be when it finally gets past the 2 week inflation price? like 450 to 500?
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Lets hope so.There's a simple formula each card should follow...and that is:
next gen = 2*previous gen
If the 5890 or w/e they call it is as fast as a 4870 x2 or even dual 4890's, I will be happy.
From what I can tell, this is exactly what's going to happen.
Well, Nvidia selling it for cheap does not mean they're making the same profit margin as a smaller die and less complex chip.Considering nVidia can sell a more complicated card with 448 bit buswidth with such a low price, i think 384 bit buswidth PCB isn't necessary all that expensive. Naah, it's just a wet dream of mine, nevermind.
Like when the 4850 and 4870 came out, the GTX 260 and 280 had a $100 and $200 price cut overnight.... was it because the chips weren't that expensive? Not necessarily, it was jut realization that they wouldn't sell a damn thing without lowering prices... in turn, they got hit on profit margin so instead of making $100 or $200 more per card, they had to bite the bullet...
But in turn this prompted them to cut costs of production significantly to regain margins.
I don't agree with that beeing the normal progression rate in the videocard arena. Given that manufacturers come with more or less one generation a year, it would be much higher than usual tech progression (doubling each two years). Indeed, I think that only the great surprise/success/hit chips have managed to double over their previous generation (R700, G80...). I'd say that a much more realistic and paired to other technologies and Moore's Law formula would be:There's a simple formula each card should follow...and that is:
next gen = 2*previous gen
If the 5890 or w/e they call it is as fast as a 4870 x2 or even dual 4890's, I will be happy.
From what I can tell, this is exactly what's going to happen.
next gen = 1.5*previous gen
Given that a new generation is coming every year (your formula could be good if there were a 2 years gap between generations).
Said that, it seems that this generation both ATI and NVIDIA are going to double the performance of their chips... as it seems that performance/watt it's not doubled (or close to that), I'm a little scared about the power consumption of the bigger chips of both ATI and NVIDIA this round.
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