Quote Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR View Post
Phenom scales well, I don't see any faults there. The problem is that when you increase frequency in both K10 and Core2 the base differencies grow bigger. And the problem with Deneb is the same, but it has way more frequency headroom so AMD can mitigate it with that: you'd need something like 4,5GHz+ to beat a 4GHz Penryn, the same way it needs 3GHz to be somewhat competitive with Q9450 and Q9550.
That may very well be the case,but don't you think we need some real reviews with variety of apps to conclude what you said?Agena was pretty close to even Penryn in a lot of apps,but it trailed it in others too.It won't be black& white so that you can say 4.5Ghz will be needed to match 4Ghz Penryn.In certain apps it will do better per clock,in some worse,but the average is still unknown.But i say again,those numbers may indeed be true,we just need to wait for some real tests.