To everyone in the WC section, Please read!

[Ashraf]

This is a good thread for everyone to read only, not to discuss and post about your opinion, your experience, who's to blame, etc.

David, please consider closing this thread.

[Movieman]

My stance on it is, I won't recommend something I haven't personally used. I will never recommend an EK because I'm too cheap to run one myself. I will point them to threads that shows others' experiences but I always add my $0.02 about my beloved Apogee GT. I usually recommend the Apogee GT for two reasons:
1) It can be found in the FS/FT section for $25 shipped or less used,
2) I have abused mine and it takes everything I throw at it, so it's a proven performer in my eyes.

It's hard to beat that $ per C performance, though as soon as I get my D-Tek Fuzion v1 mounted and tested, we'll see as the price on those is falling as well.

Funny one; I bought some WC parts from one of the guys here and I had an option to take one ApogeeGT or a pair of Fuzion v1's..
I had one apogeeGT and didn't want to rape the guy as he was giving me a very fair deal so I passed on the fuzions and took the one apogeeGT
The fuzions look a little prettier and might be 1-2C better but I'm happy and i'll shine all that chrome and make them beauuuuutiful!

[DarthBeavis]

This is a good thread for everyone to read only, not to discuss and post about your opinion, your experience, who's to blame, etc.

David, please consider closing this thread.

you r a mod, if the thread is out of order close it. You are telling him he is wrong to discuss this? MM is the mod who convinced me to ease off and change directions. If you had continued I would have either been banned or quit posting here.

[D-Cyph3r]

Soooo, does this mean we cant grill Thermaltake kits anymore?

[fart_plume]

Soooo, does this mean we cant grill Thermaltake kits anymore?

No it means use your brain and try to help them make it work if they can't afford anything else.

[RickCain]

My stance on it is, I won't recommend something I haven't personally used.

This attitude should be adhered to by everyone. Opinions should be based on experience and not by someone sitting behind a keyboard with an agenda.

I look forward to a much more positive water cooling sub forum.

[BlueAqua]

Another opinion of others opinions.... This is a perfect example of what starts the battles here. The "Greater than thou" attitude...

It's not really about that. It's about raising the standards of XS. Please adhere to the new higher standards.

[Omastar]

This is a good thread for everyone to read only, not to discuss and post about your opinion, your experience, who's to blame, etc.

David, please consider closing this thread.

As far as I know, Dave supersedes you in moderator land, so it's his choice. Fingers do not need to be pointed here. Dave was simply posting an example of what the bad blood in this forum has brought about.

[Omastar]

Another opinion of others opinions.... This is a perfect example of what starts the battles here. The "Greater than thou" attitude...

What does that have to do with a holier than thou attitude? He was simply pointing out that empirical data holds more water than superfluous personal preference.

[fart_plume]

See, I think that's where the problem is, and a good example. I can't help or recommend something I don't do, or haven't used. I wouldn't use mixed metals in a loop regardless of what kind of additive someoone came up with. I wouldn't risk recommending something like that to someone, or advising them on how to use it.

I believe a lot of us are the same way here on XS. But for every one of us that don't use mixed metals or additives, there's one's who do. We debate our side of the coin, and they debate theirs, and I don't see anything wrong with that as long as we act half way decent about it.

I think the same can be said for a lot of discussions we have here at XS. It's the civility and ethics we all need to work on around here more than the content or basis of our debates IMO.

andyc

I'm not saying it a good unit, just that a particulat user may have been given the unit , not have the funds for something better, or may just want to use it as a learning experience. So in that light letting them know what can be done within their limitations, the units limitations to get to perform as well as it can. What to look for to catch a potential failure.

[b@llz0r]

its an interesting social mix here in the XS LC section with a wide range of ages and races (not so many chicks th ). With such diversity you are bound to have the occasional confrontation / misunderstanding...

I think the adults in this forum need to leed by example. Some of the most childish behaviour displayed in this section comes from people who must be over 30!

I have taken a less active role in this forum lately due to the bickering but i still think its the number 1 place for good advice and a source of great ideas.

[Omastar]

Here is how it starts...

How? Your opinions are just that: yours. It's fine to tell someone you love your CPU block manufactured by Company X, but it's another thing to have blinders on when it comes to objective performance. And what if they don't want to spend a certain amount on the top block? You're responsible to scale it down and examine price to performance if you really want to help them. And, of course, by 'you' I mean 'everyone'.

[Ashraf]

you r a mod, if the thread is out of order close it. You are telling him he is wrong to discuss this? MM is the mod who convinced me to ease off and change directions. If you had continued I would have either been banned or quit posting here.

As far as I know, Dave supersedes you in moderator land, so it's his choice. Fingers do not need to be pointed here. Dave was simply posting an example of what the bad blood in this forum has brought about.

Um, "This is a good thread for everyone to read only, not to discuss and post about your opinion, your experience, who's to blame, etc." wasn't even toward to Movieman.

I will not close this thread without his permission. Movieman is a moderator and the creator of this thread. I am not telling him what to do, but a suggestion to close this thread. We are team.

Some of the most childish behaviour displayed in this section comes from people who must be over 30!

I concur.

[DarthBeavis]

Shessh . . .maybe Ashraf was right in that he saw what was coming . . .come on guys. If you are going to post here post about how to improve with CONSTRUCTIVE ideas and add value. Hopefully MM will clean it up and keep in on track as it is doing some good.

[DarthBeavis]

We are team.

LOL . . .I figured it out . . .good cop, bad cop routine . . .LOL. You two pulled one over on me . . . I still think that infraction is totally unwarranted but whatever . . .only a freaking forum now isn't it. . .and it if makes it all better here then why not.

[fart_plume]

I agree with Darth, this thread is for improving WC'ing section, not about anything else.

[DarthBeavis]

I think the mods should start giving us titles as a short-term punishment They do that over at PDXLAN forums and it really works . . .can also give out kudos that way . . .

[fart_plume]

Where that might work at other forums , I don't rteally think that would be along the lines of Professionalism that the forum owner wants.(Not meaning to speak out of turn Fugger)

[fart_plume]

ok, dubtown here's the thing, you can say what you need to say but finding an appropriate way to say it is the key to keep from getting banned. You don't have to pull punches but keep it civil. The personal attack on RRR is uncalled for and you'll get hammered for it. It is against the rules. So please edit before you get in trouble.

[fart_plume]

Exactly what I'm talking about! Thank you Andy.

Yes I'm am using a TT block, that modded. I know it's holding me back from top clocks on my qx, but I'm learning from it. i do have some Swifttech v1's in the planning and I'll be able to show the difference in performance in an empirical fashion.

One advantage of TT parts are they are cheap and if you mess them up modding them it's no big loss, just move on to the next one............

[Movieman]

This is a good thread for everyone to read only, not to discuss and post about your opinion, your experience, who's to blame, etc.

David, please consider closing this thread.

I understand but there's a lot that needs to come out and get off of everyones chest.

As far as I know, Dave supersedes you in moderator land, so it's his choice. Fingers do not need to be pointed here. Dave was simply posting an example of what the bad blood in this forum has brought about.

Actually as far as I am concerned I don't "outrank" Ashraf..We work together for the best for the site.
I'm a supermod, he's a mod. The only difference is that I can mod in all sections vs the regular mods get assigned sections.
The key is that we work together for the benefit of XS.
We may sometimes disagree on the best way to go but the one thing we know about each other is that the other guys motives are good.

Im sure ill get banned but its worth it

your such a in hypocrit dude... and its pretty clear the private message being discussed had you in mind...

im sorry... guess ill see you all in 09

I said it loud and clear and then even told you in PM but you didn't listen.
banned till 1-21-09

[DarthBeavis]

[QUOTE=Movieman;3305796]Actually as far as I am concerned I don't "outrank" Ashraf..We work together for the best for the site.
I'm a supermod, he's a mod. The only difference is that I can mod in all sections vs the regular mods get assigned sections.
The key is that we work together for the benefit of XS.
We may sometimes disagree on the best way to go but the one thing we know about each other is that the other guys motives are good.
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Is your name Friday? Do you carry a gun


***plays Dragnet theme music in the backround

[Movieman]

Gentlemen;
I just removed some posts.
Some just because they quoted others that needed to be removed so don't read anything into it that isn't there.

The whole point of this thread orginally was to say that things have to change here.
That people have to use a little common sense and reason in their responses and also that anyone that works for any company and then slyly badmouths another company in the attempt to increase sales is a POS in my opinion and will be removed.
Anyone even thought to be doing so will be removed.
We will also deal with one another with respect and courtesy.
You don't have to agree with everyone but don't attack the man, attack his arguement. I have been saying that one line over and over for almost a year yet sometimes I think people close their ears.
Do I make myself clear on these points?
Lets take this place back to what it used to be.
A place where friends could come together and discuss water cooling and learn from one another.
Leave the frigging ego's home and enter here as friends or simply stay out of this section. It is that simple.
[QUOTE=DarthBeavis;3305840]

Actually as far as I am concerned I don't "outrank" Ashraf..We work together for the best for the site.
I'm a supermod, he's a mod. The only difference is that I can mod in all sections vs the regular mods get assigned sections.
The key is that we work together for the benefit of XS.
We may sometimes disagree on the best way to go but the one thing we know about each other is that the other guys motives are good.
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Is your name Friday? Do you carry a gun


***plays Dragnet theme music in the backround

Cute, but I am not that complex.
I look right down the middle and try to calm excitable people and issues.
When I can't do it nicely I do it the hard way.
I hate, I repeat, I hate having to ban anyone but sometimes it is all that a person will listen to.
Now as to you, come january in las Vegas you and I will sit down at a table with a couple bottles of jack and have a long talk.. and there will be a third person there also.
it will be very interesting..
Now if it gets too interesting I'm 5'10" and 220 and brought up on the streets.
I am 56 but I still got a few good minutes left in me.
We will talk and when the talk is over the three of us will stand up as friends.

[StAndrew]

I just want to put in a few words (still a new user so don’t know whats going on… LOUD NOISES…): Anyways, Ive been very active in the SLI Forums Watercooling and have seen lots of horrible posting. Fanboism is childish! Period. People have to realize that their posting can directly affect someone’s next purchase and be responsible enough to give help in an accurate and professional manner. Its a responsibility held by each forum go'er to provide the most accurate info, regardless of personal preferences!
Also things ive seen are ppl posting incorrect numbers, exaggerations, etc... EX: a user claiming they run their quad core and Tri SLI off a Zalman Reserator, influencing a user I know well to purchase one, and become very miserable when he discovered his GPU's overheating and comp shutting down when gamming. If you dont know what you are talking about, dont make bs up to sound sophisticated and fit in. Eat some humble friken pie!

[systemviper]

I understand but there's a lot that needs to come out and get off of everyones chest.

I totally agree, If this was just something to read, then it's just a lecture and not a lot will come from it.

But if it is to really change, then we need to talk about it and own it, take responsibility for it and be part of the solution.

The discussion will actually bring out a lot of the frustration, and help to build some new bonds and heal some friendships gone bad. You don't know how many responses i have written, posted, then deleted just because i felt i was being to arrogant or not giving someone the respect that I want myself.

I say post your opinions, within reason, get it off your chest, and lets all move forward with MM and XS to keep it the most experienced source of info on the net