ATI Radeon HD 4000 Series discussion

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and that just sucks, they allways save on the cooling solution, thought ati more then NV.

I'm pretty sure NV's heatsinks are cheaper than ATI's. Lots of Alu there. ATI almost always uses copper (I've never seen an ATI Alu heatsink, but I give the benefit of the doubt). But in the end both are useless due to BIOS profiles with slow fan speeds.