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    Another Waterlogged TJ-07

    Updates posted directly in thread from now on... this page is getting too slow to load

    29/05/08

    A little more progress today... My fan controler arrived so i can complete the res

    Return barbs on, and I put an elbow on for the fill port res, this is tapped half into the ceiling of the res so itll be the highest point so the air will escape.


    Pumps on


    Installing was a bit fiddly, Im hoping those minor kinks will sort themselves out


    Kaze Master in


    now for some moood lighting..... damn that bit of paper ruining my shot!







    well thats about all i can do till my blocks get here....


    28/05/08

    While I wait for my blocks to arrive i decided to tube up the radiators.

    This is probably going to go down as the longest build in history :/



    Tight fit


    Floor back in


    A nice gap at the front for the return lines without needing to cut


    Leak testing


    26/05/08

    Arrrg... I just found out my water blocks are still 2-3 weeks away... shoulda just ordered them from EK direct

    oh well...


    here is the latest little update:

    Stealthing the DVD Drive

    first I grabbed a spare faceplate... lots of those laying round



    put some double sided tape across the back



    folded the flaps down





    a bit more double sided tape, with a pad for the drive button



    pop it on the drive... but dont peel the backing tape off the button pad



    which one is it?





    cost me about 20 cents and about 10 minutes!


    Im also thinking about putting the res/pumps up the top.... that way i can install a fill port in the top of the case... just gota figure out how to route the return lines...




    25/05/08 5pm

    reassembled the case... slight change in plans, im moving the res up one bay and sacrificing the second dvd drive.

    This will let me install a fan controller and make routing the return tubes easier.

    I ordered a black sythe kaze master... only 1A per channel but that will let me run 4 of those ACRyan Blackfire4s from each channel and give me some temp readouts










    25/05/08
    A long time between updates and not much progress to report.

    Still waiting on delivery of my waterblocks... funny that the first thing i ordered will be the last to arrive :/

    well i finnished off the res by adding a bracket to secure the pumps.


    A couple of UV LEDs and and a temp probe in the redundant inlet/outlet ports



    This is just with water... should look cool with the UV blue coolant. Only thing left to do in it is to tap the inlet ports, but ill do this when i do the final assembly



    14/05/08

    I dont have room for a fan controller and besides i think they are a waste of time... id only ever use "all fans max" or "all fans min" so i decided to make up a little switch. Basically I want my machine to be quiet and sedate when idle or just working, then press a button it goes into game mode with the fans, and the leds and the cold cathodes n'hay.

    After a lot of help from the guys over in the xtreme mods section, I went down to the local electronics store and bought a bread board, a DPDT relay and a handfull of resistors.

    hooked it all up


    Low noise mode for idle


    Xtreme Mode!!!!22one! for gaming and general n00b pwnage



    The iphone camera doesnt really do it justice... it really fires up when you hit the switch... one more click and its quiet as. I'll post a vid once ive got it set up properly.

    now.... whered i put my soldering iron....



    12/05/08
    modding the dual drivebay res to mount dual DDC 3.2s'

    My koolance G1/4 ram connectors arrived today so I can mount the pumps to the res. Some guys in another thread were asking how to tap a G1/4 thread so ill go into a little more detail on that operation.

    First I set out the hole locations and used a nail to punch the centres, this way the drill bit wont wander... I was sure to "measure twice, drill once" and since it takes about two weeks to get gear from the states I measured once more for good measure

    If you have a drill press use it... I only had a cordless drill so my allignment isnt perfect, if you use a vice to hold the res be sure to protect it with a rag.

    I found that a slow speed works best, when you can feel the bit cutting the plastic and u get a nice even swarf coming off you know you are at the right speed, take extra care as the bit penetrates the other side as it has a tendancy to bite and could crack your res.



    Now its time to tap that.... hole.... um... .... moving right along

    I didnt use any cutting oil because i was unsure how it would react with the plastic... I figured it was soft material so shouldnt be a problem. Really there is nothing to it, place the tap in the hole and turn. For metals its best to do a full turn forward and a quater turn back to break off the swarf and ensure a clean thread, probably not as big an issue with plastic, but i did anyway to be sure.



    Drilled, tapped and flushed



    Fittings installed



    perfik



    leak testing...



    done!






    11/05/08 12:24 AM

    After a trial assembly with the rad in it turns out those vibration mounts are a fraction too tall, looks like im going to have to go back to evian 26's idea of just bolting them to the floor and using a nut or some washers as packers to get it up a little.


    10/05/08
    Another small update... mounting the 480GTX!

    After centre-punching the holes using the radsupport as a template i drilled and tapped some M4 holes.


    man I havent done this since high school... but i remembered its 1/2 turn forward, 1/4 back with a little cutting oil to lube it up.



    I found these vibration mounts from my alphacool ddc top which is in another machine.



    that should do the trick.... I need more of these things if anyone knows where to get them from!



    need to get some shorter screws



    and there it is





    06/05/08
    Not much progress today, after ordering some 3/8 ID tube just stripped out the innards and laid out the basement.

    Looks like I will need to end for end the 240 because the elbows were clashing, I know its not preferable to have the flow going downwards in the rad but im sure itll be ok.






    05/05/08

    Well i wasnt going to make this a full blown work log, but id hate to disappoint my subscribers

    I will add updates to this first post so people dont need to trawl through to find out where im up to with the build.

    I received a couple of boxes full of bits from Performance PCs today, the rads, res, pumps and most of the fittings ill be needing



    This is what the front will end up looking like... I also plan on doing AndyM's LianLi CD Bezel mod to keep with the slick black look.



    All the bits on the table... hope my g/f doesnt mind eating out for a few weeks



    I think i went overboard with the fittings



    My first hitch... and I havent even started up the jigsaw
    on the left is a alphacool 3/8 fitting, on the right a koolance, in the middle some 3/8 tube... how the heck is that tube suppose to fit on the koolance fitting?





    04/05/08
    Hi guys,

    Ive been lurking in these forums for a while now learning as much as I can about water-cooling and putting ideas together for my next build.

    Ive knocked up a concept in sketchup and would appreciate any comments you guys have on my setup.

    You will need to use your imagination a bit because I didnt draw up all the waterblocks.

    Most of the sketchup components are from The Sketchup Components Collection... bigups to scooby, his work is flawless






    Basically its going to be dual loop with a common res.

    Loop 1 res>pump1>GFX1>GFX2>GFX3>GTX480>res
    Loop 2 res>pump2>CPU>Mosfet>GTXM184>Mosfet>NB>SB>GTX240>R es

    Im using 3/8 tubing and all ek waterblocks, supreme for the CPU, FC88's for the 8800 Ultras. Im a little worried about clearance on the middle gfx card, but i guess ill see when my parts arrive.

    im thinking of mounting the pumps to the underside of the res by drilling and tapping a couple of G1/4 holes and then using the koolance Ram-35 sliding connection nozzles (unless anyone can give me a better idea)

    Im also planning on using the koolance shutoff nozzles, pannel mount for the connection through the floor to the rads, and again to the pumps for easy removal of the mobo tray... anyone have any opinions on these?





    Props to AndyM for showing me how to do a TJ07 right and virtualrain for getting me interested in watercooling in the first place.
    Last edited by b@llz0r; 07-24-2008 at 08:02 PM. Reason: update

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    Like the idea with dual 92 mm radaitor and dual 5,25" bay resevoir with "custom holes?" and a 480 - insane!

    Can't wait to see the real build!
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    looking nice! by the way, where are the hard drives?

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    Damn.... knew i forgot something!!!




    j/k... they are above the res using the drive cage that was in the bottom of the case

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    Looking real nice

    (drivers over res)

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    one thing thats been bugging me... is it ok to hook up the three 8800s in series like that?

    I figure that once the water goes through the first two, it'll be pretty hot and temps on #3 will suck

    would it be better to hook these up parallel somehow?

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    Ssucribed.. i want to see this kind of job :d
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    Woah! crazy set up, cant wait to see this built...


    I'd use larger tubing though, not a fan of that tiny stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biftek. View Post
    I'd use larger tubing though, not a fan of that tiny stuff.

    I ran it through Martins flow rate estimator spreadsheet... 3/8 tubing will still give me decent flow and be a bit easier to manage

    It worked out to be 1.57 GPM with 3/8" and 1.61 with 1/2" so the effect is negligable.


    thats a kick ass spreadsheet btw... saved me heaps of time

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    Quote Originally Posted by b@llz0r View Post
    I ran it through Martins flow rate estimator spreadsheet... 3/8 tubing will still give me decent flow and be a bit easier to manage

    It worked out to be 1.57 GPM with 3/8" and 1.61 with 1/2" so the effect is negligable.


    thats a kick ass spreadsheet btw... saved me heaps of time
    wow! i cant believe their is no real difference between 3/8 and 1/2 tubing. im thinking of doing the same setup with just the 480GT. Performance-pcs.com has the t07 with the 480GT installed down below, it looks awesome, fits perfect. Hope everything goes well. Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b@llz0r View Post
    I ran it through Martins flow rate estimator spreadsheet... 3/8 tubing will still give me decent flow and be a bit easier to manage

    It worked out to be 1.57 GPM with 3/8" and 1.61 with 1/2" so the effect is negligable.


    thats a kick ass spreadsheet btw... saved me heaps of time
    Yeah that's still a really good flow rate.

    But I meant aesthetically, I like larger tubing.
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    Looks cool. I just moved the radiator mounted at the top of my system as far over to the right as I could (As opposed to having it all the way to the left) because I'm going to mount the same 92mm radiator you're about to mount into my system... it's going to be a very tight fit, I've done measurements and so forth and I have about a 43~46mm clearance using 92x25mm fans... That radiator is 54mm if I remember properly, so I'm picking up some 12mm thick fans. Which is still a bit under because the PCI slots are 15mm out and I'll need a 3mm spacer between... You should consider mounting it internally like I will. x) That loop for me will just be RAM.

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    I had a simillar setup (gtx480 and pa120.2).The pa120.2 was reciving hot air from the gtx480 and I got bad temps. Once the pa120.2 was removed and joint the two loops to the gtx480 I got good results. The Gtx480 can handle more than I thought. Now its cooling an overclocked QX6850 and two overclocked 8800 ultras.
    Oh yes, I did not drill my tj07 to fix the gtx480 existing holes fits it perfectly.good luck

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    Good Luck Bro!!! This is going to be the hardest build I've seen in a long time.. This is the case I've ran with for years, while also using a 480 down below in my previous build. I'm not sure how you're going to fit everything "as is". Man I hope you do because it's gonna be sick but defiantly not an easy build!

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    Thanks for the encouragement guys... I hope I havent bitten off more than I can chew... my g/f wants the dining room table back one day

    I'll post an update today.

    Quote Originally Posted by evian_26 View Post
    I had a simillar setup (gtx480 and pa120.2).The pa120.2 was reciving hot air from the gtx480 and I got bad temps. Once the pa120.2 was removed and joint the two loops to the gtx480 I got good results. The Gtx480 can handle more than I thought. Now its cooling an overclocked QX6850 and two overclocked 8800 ultras.
    Oh yes, I did not drill my tj07 to fix the gtx480 existing holes fits it perfectly.good luck
    I figure the 240 will suck cool air from the right side, with the 480 sucking air from the left with the hot air exhausting out the back where the second psu is suppose to go.

    Mind posting some pics of how you mounted your 480 using the existing holes? I had planned on using silverstone radsupport brackets as feet... but this requires drilling I think.

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    try not to use those aluminium fans ... they're bulky and costly ... while yield no actual benefits ... besides if u place thermal compound on them and ur rad ... corrossive is gonna visit you ...
    best get plastics ...

    i dun know bout the 92mm ... the idea seems fresh ... but i think it's better u get a dual 120 rad for top ... seems practical for most tj07 users here ... but 92mm will make u unique though ...

    any idea to place a fan controller 5.25"? imo ...

    gluck with your work!

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    Fantastic work, and what a great way to knock up ideas. Will have to try and convert a few of those sketch up mods.

    Little confused by the fan on the inside for harddrives. On that silverstone hard drive cage the fan is on the inside at the front of the case.

    Just had another look. Am I right in thinking you're flipping it round, therefore keeping wiring out the way? Nice idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b@llz0r View Post


    I figure the 240 will suck cool air from the right side, with the 480 sucking air from the left with the hot air exhausting out the back where the second psu is suppose to go.

    Mind posting some pics of how you mounted your 480 using the existing holes? I had planned on using silverstone radsupport brackets as feet... but this requires drilling I think.

    You will have alot of hot air in the case you need more fans to pull the hot air out. Here are few pics on how my radiator is mounted:

    1. I used three "L" brackets "red squares in pic 1" with a nut underneath to raise the radiator.
    2. The bracket fits between the radiator and the fan
    3. I have four fans pulling air and two pushing.in addition the psu fan which pulls air from the rad. the brackets holds the radiator like a rock

    sorry for the bad quality pics phon cam could not find my camera
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    Wow!

    This thread looks amazing! Love the idea of a quad radiator!

    Definitely subscribed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RLM View Post
    Fantastic work, and what a great way to knock up ideas. Will have to try and convert a few of those sketch up mods.

    Little confused by the fan on the inside for harddrives. On that silverstone hard drive cage the fan is on the inside at the front of the case.

    Just had another look. Am I right in thinking you're flipping it round, therefore keeping wiring out the way? Nice idea.

    RLM
    That fan is the Hard Drive Cage that originally comes in the bottom compartment of the TJ07. He's just mounted it up in the bay area instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serpentarius View Post
    try not to use those aluminium fans ... they're bulky and costly ... while yield no actual benefits ... besides if u place thermal compound on them and ur rad ... corrossive is gonna visit you ...
    best get plastics ...

    i dun know bout the 92mm ... the idea seems fresh ... but i think it's better u get a dual 120 rad for top ... seems practical for most tj07 users here ... but 92mm will make u unique though ...

    any idea to place a fan controller 5.25"? imo ...

    gluck with your work!
    Actually I only used those fans in sketchup because im lazzy and those were the ones available I'm still looking at fan options... I want blue led fans, any suggestions?



    Quote Originally Posted by RLM View Post
    Fantastic work, and what a great way to knock up ideas. Will have to try and convert a few of those sketch up mods.

    Little confused by the fan on the inside for harddrives. On that silverstone hard drive cage the fan is on the inside at the front of the case.

    Just had another look. Am I right in thinking you're flipping it round, therefore keeping wiring out the way? Nice idea.

    RLM
    yeah, i found it a great tool to see what fits... check out this dual 480 option i looked at

    you are right, the silverstone cage doesnt have a fan at the back... the cage in the model is from the basement of the TJ07 and i just added the silverstone front to see what it would look like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evian_26 View Post
    You will have alot of hot air in the case you need more fans to pull the hot air out. Here are few pics on how my radiator is mounted:

    1. I used three "L" brackets "red squares in pic 1" with a nut underneath to raise the radiator.
    2. The bracket fits between the radiator and the fan
    3. I have four fans pulling air and two pushing.in addition the psu fan which pulls air from the rad. the brackets holds the radiator like a rock

    sorry for the bad quality pics phon cam could not find my camera
    Thanks evian, that is similar to my radsupport bracket idea... those holes lined up with the existing ones hey? thats pretty cool... do you get a good seal between the fan and the rad? I was thinking id need to use some spacers to get the fans to sit square... but it probably isnt that important.

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