E8500 739A277 test

[Garrett]

Very nice Dumo, what shop did you get it from?

[Speederlander]

I agree. Doesn't matter if retail or ES..... there are duds in both.

How many people have posted on XS complaining about their dud ES chip, especially during the pre-release or hot-off-the-presses marketing phase?

The difference is that Intel isn't going to give out "duds" to people who they want to tout their new chips on-line. The ES chips in the marketing build-up are well binned and not necessarily representative of retail. As we have already seen with some people getting less than stellar results with these chips retail already.

It's just common sense that ES chips passed out for marketing purposes are going to be above average or well above average.

[Dumo]

Just for comparo...This retail 8500 from coolaler ran on air...

Its probly better

測試諸元:9.5x485=4607MHz
Vcore:1.48v
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[dogsx2]

How many people have posted on XS complaining about their dud ES chip, especially during the pre-release or hot-off-the-presses marketing phase?

The difference is that Intel isn't going to give out "duds" to people who they want to tout their new chips on-line. The ES chips in the marketing build-up are well binned and not necessarily representative of retail. As we have already seen with some people getting less than stellar results with these chips retail already.

It's just common sense that ES chips passed out for marketing purposes are going to be above average or well above average.

Here is a quote from someone I have a great deal of respect for:

If you look you can find mediocre ES clocks. No one wants to post about them though

I have had some I have bought that clocked poorly and they went to Ebay. I did not post in bold letters, like your reply, that I got a dud ES chip. I think that is what most who get their hands on poor clocking ones do.

Your logic says there are no poor clockers, Intel would not send them out. We know that there are some poor clocking ES chips.

Sorry Dumo to go OT on your thread.

[LagunaX]

Think I got a dud e8400es, lol...but it is an B1 chip, not even a C0. Can't do 4ghz orthos blend stable. Members OBR and godsfist have had pretty poor luck with some retail e8400's too:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=172882

[Speederlander]

Here is a quote from someone I have a great deal of respect for:



I have had some I have bought that clocked poorly and they went to Ebay. I did not post in bold letters, like your reply, that I got a dud ES chip. I think that is what most who get their hands on poor clocking ones do.

Your logic says there are no poor clockers, Intel would not send them out. We know that there are some poor clocking ES chips.

Sorry Dumo to go OT on your thread.

Actually, that analysis still backs up my core claim, namely that you can't judge how retail chips will clock based on what people see published with ES samples. Whether they are being binned by Intel because they know the marketing value of good publicity (which pretty much any company would do) or whether the bad ones simply never get posted because all the ES holding people just decide to not share bad runs, either way the result is the same. People read about a lot of great ES results with basically no discussion of the low end, creating an inflated opinion among potential buyers about what to expect.

That's it. My OT comments are done now as well.

[savantu]

Intel doesn't specially bin ES chips ; in fact most are early steppings intended for validation work at mobo manufacturers and ISV.

[godsfist]

Think I got a dud e8400es, lol...but it is an B1 chip, not even a C0. Can't do 4ghz orthos blend stable. Members OBR and godsfist have had pretty poor luck with some retail e8400's too:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=172882

4th time is a charm, I finally got a 4GHz prime stable chip

But the bastard has one core 15 degrees hotter than the other

[g1raffe]

4th time is a charm, I finally got a 4GHz prime stable chip

But the bastard has one core 15 degrees hotter than the other

What version of Prime are you running? Older versions will only stress one core.

[godsfist]

What version of Prime are you running? Older versions will only stress one core.

There is a 15 degree difference at idle as well

[dogsx2]

Hope everything is OK. Yellow box still working?

[daud140501]

I think e8500 retail is best chip for daily use

it nice, .....
i like your's machine

E8500 is best chip & I am planning to replace my E6600 with it

[Dumo]

Hope everything is OK. Yellow box still working?

Yellow box is dead ...Its old though, probly can't keep up with heat load from new gen cpu

B/way still playing with air and vcore.....



Same vcore for 4.6G SS....It seems like >5gigers chip if it goes cold, as long as FSB can keep up

[dogsx2]

RIP yellow box..

Great results Dumo.

[dinos22]

Imo retail and ES are the same

How high it can scales on FSB ( > 540 FSB)....thats what make a difference

i agree

what FSB are you getting with this chip btw

[fhpchris]

Imo retail and ES are the same

How high it can scales on FSB ( > 540 FSB)....thats what make a difference

Do not tempt us with is aircooling business Dumo, throw that under some ice

[Dumo]

@fhpchris....Its just fun to run 4.6Ghz air with $2 HSF, not long ago we need $800 SS or expensive copper pot to do it

[AndreYang]

Nice to see you bench again.


YGPM

[Dumo]

Thanks Andre

Sub 10s with untweaked SP1m, 1.49Vcore still on air





I will try E8500 retail today.

[ziddey]

fwiw, these es's are also c0, so not much should have changed when moving onto the final releases. back in the conroe days, the final es was b1. despite some that clocked real well, wasn't it said that b2's have a slight edge in spi clock for clock?

that said, we saw some spectacular g0 es's. first shipping g0's didn't do too well, especially the lower binned ones. but they picked up with time again a fair amount.

I guess a major part of es is that a "low" bin es might be no different than the top dog

[Garrett]

Thanks Andre

Sub 10s with untweaked SP1m, 1.49Vcore still on air





I will try E8500 retail today.

I hate you
j/k

I'm really jealous... still can't get 'em here in NL...damn...

[eva2000]

Thanks Andre

Sub 10s with untweaked SP1m, 1.49Vcore still on air

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I will try E8500 retail today.

fast for 5-5-5-x timings heh

my retail needs more vcore to hit clocks that produce similar pi 1m times

[giorgos th.]

nice to see a retail......lets hope they do even or better than the ES ones..

[dogsx2]

Its just fun to run 4.6Ghz air with $2 HSF, not long ago we need $800 SS or expensive copper pot to do it

You are so right.

It is so much more fun to get high clocks and fast spi times without having to use SS or DI.

Really good clocks for that cooler. Waiting for your retail results.

[dogsx2]

fast for 5-5-5-x timings heh

my retail needs more vcore to hit clocks that produce similar pi 1m times

He's using better cooling then you.