GTX Corrosion

[IanY]

Ian,
I wasn't refering to you. Twas the younger generation.
You're obviously not that short of points of self differentiation.

Very sorry. My apologies.

[IanY]

Hey.. a bit more of this and this becomes so familiar! The satellite location for [H] !

[Jedda]

Man what are you on about???

I think he got the idea we're all from different companys, busy termiting each others' products.
Sort of the WC Guild Wars.

[phelan1777]

this is like a mental tennis match, watching (reading the back and forth)............

Water
Cooling
Wars.


WOOT THE W.C.W. HERE ON OUR VERY OWN BACK YARD! (insert commercial break for: Swiftech, Koolance, EK, Petra's, Danger Den, *some random insurance ad*)

"voice over" now back to the action you all have been waiting for!

:announcer A: who is goign to square off tonight Bob?

:announcer B: Swiftech vs DD, followed by Koolance vs EK, though I am sure EK is certain a win, so he will face off against either from the first match, then it will be a Royal chill on the motherboard.

:announcer A: Let's go tot eh ring side with our very own High Flow Barb where we can just feel the pressure building, how restrictive is the loop Barb?

:Barb: Well John, as you can see, the techs are setting up the loops, though there is words between the two teams, from what I can hear they are exchanging heat about which pumps to use.



....................fill in the rest with your imagination.......sorry I was bored..........

[ElEctric_EyE]

Man what are you on about???


what the hell is worx??? Slang....

I still can't hear you... I won the spelling bee and it's spelled worx, worcs, something like that, close enough..(off topic). Back to galvanic corrosion! We all HATE it! We all fear it! Let's do something about it! Distilled water and Copper only!

[IanY]

Have I ripped into you for wanting to TEC cool your stock PC?

BTW Mekrel, I will put my PCs under triple phase change and underclock them if I want to. I know where this is from, and honestly, it was none of his business, nor honestly none of anyone else's business, if I want to run my machines stock and not overclock them. If I want to play Quake 2 and original Quake, and occassionally I still indulge, I will play it. Its none of anyone's business.

[Jedda]

this is like a mental tennis match, watching (reading the back and forth)............

Water
Cooling
Wars.

Was thinking more Wimbledon, but that's 'cause I like cream and strawberries.
Your's was spot on!

[ElEctric_EyE]

You started the thread and hopefully you just ended this thread.

[sonofander]

Ok, ok Enough already... I ordered the copper top! You guys happy now???

[Waterlogged]

Lol

I have 5 copper tops just in case I decide to use a GTX. I would not feel comfortable putting aluminum in a client build.

The Bowed GTX is a strong performer.

I have seen a very similar Galvanic Corrosion (often misnomered Electrolysis) in other "plated" aluminum blocks: specifically in Alphacool (read junk) GFX blocks.

Once the Coating has even the tiniest flaw the Galvanic force is so strong in mixed metal loops (without additives) that it will begin riddling the aluminum.

The large chunks missing are simly where the metal has literally dissolved into a chalky substance. The remaining aluminum is junk now...completely porous and lacking in structural integrity.

My god I love reading IanY when he's on a rampage

I should repost some highligjhts from his rebuttal...they about make me piss myself :

Please do not confuse plating with anodizing. I really don't know how many times I have to say this but, they are very different processes for treating metal. Anodizing changes the surface of the metal through an electrochemical process. Plating adds a second/third metal to the surface. Of the two, plating is much more durable and reliable. Alphacool uses anodizing to "protect" most of their blocks.

[Mekrel]

BTW Mekrel, I will put my PCs under triple phase change and underclock them if I want to. I know where this is from, and honestly, it was none of his business, nor honestly none of anyone else's business, if I want to run my machines stock and not overclock them. If I want to play Quake 2 and original Quake, and occassionally I still indulge, I will play it. Its none of anyone's business.

Which I have an opinion on, but that's all - I have zero problem what you do with your hardware, money or electricity. I was merely using it as an example that you shouldn't comment on my choice of barbs or painting a block when it had nothing to do with aesthetics over performance.

Yes those choices were made for aesthetics, but with them clearly not affecting performance.

[Xilikon]

Ouch, bad corrosion... Even with a perfect plating, all it take is a small pinhole ding to cause corrosion so never take chances with any aluminium despite how godly the plating is.

[Shlomo]

Oh... so if nobody else posts pictures of a normal GTX, then all must be corroded eh?

So... one DDC2 dies.. then another one.. then ten more.. then two DDC3.2s die.. so *all* Laing DDC must be absolute crap then, eh?

If your car manufacturer tells you to use Mobil One oil, do you go out and use Castrol Syntec or Shell Helix, even though both are just as good? What are instructions for ?

I thought we all ed at Koolance and AC because they have aluminum in their loops because they might cause corrosion, not always will....

Two-faced much?

[SiGfever]

Please guys lets stay on topic and not waste our time fighting like some other forums (which will remain nameless).

Gabe liked the looks of Edelbrock valve covers and fashioned the Apogee GTX after it. It does look cool but the aluminum was one hell of a gamble that apparently backfired, the negative press alone is not good for sales and puts doubts in people's minds. The copper top option is damn sexy and makes for a high class top performing waterblock. I would have thought that Delrin would have been a better choice with the copper top as an option but it is not my company or my call to make.

Since we don't have lab proof of the actual problem all any of us can do is speculate and that can become a pissing match as seen here. So lets discuss what we know and leave the insults out of it. just my $.015

[nikhsub1]

The whole thing is so annoying to me. This all (the corrosion) could have been prevented. In January before the GTX release I told Gabe not to do it in aluminum, I begged him and pleaded. Ya'll see how well that went.

[Anemone]

Sure hope folks are taking a look at those Stealth waterblocks once in a while.

$.02

[disruptfam]

Ok, ok Enough already... I ordered the copper top! You guys happy now???

WERE NEVER HAPPY!!!!!!

MUHAAAUHAUHAUHUAHUAHAHUHAUHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA

[sonofander]

Lol...

[IanY]

I thought we all ed at Koolance and AC because they have aluminum in their loops because they might cause corrosion, not always will....

Two-faced much?

You're barking up the wrong tree dude. Show me a post where I have crapped on Koolance and AC. In fact, I was supporting an assertion by a third party that some of the world's foremost watercooling experts use Koolance.

Number one on the list is Victor Wang. Anybody care to go up against Victor's knowledge about hardware and computer systems ?

[RickCain]

Why do I have a feeling this is another case of a guy running straight water in his loop and is now crying foul? He has been asked on two different forums (he has an agenda) and has yet to answer what was in the loop, fluid wise.

[Shlomo]

You're barking up the wrong tree dude. Show me a post where I have crapped on Koolance and AC. In fact, I was supporting an assertion by a third party that some of the world's foremost watercooling experts use Koolance.

Number one on the list is Victor Wang. Anybody care to go up against Victor's knowledge about hardware and computer systems ?

What I can prove is how nobody should take you seriously in any watercooling discussion when you are so clearly blinded by your Swiftech Fanboism.

Not a myth, but congratulations. Just carry on instilling paranoia, and perhaps brand prejudice as well. Its just great.

Alright.. I don't intend to enter into a ranker-style flame fest, so you guys should just buy a D-Tek FuZion and some new nozzles... D-Tek Fuzion is a great block, although the GTX is still better.. but I'll leave it at that. Tired of this GD sh1tski.

What.. brand prejudice... no way, isn't that what you so highly possess? Last time I checked, the fuzion does outperform the GTX, has no aluminum, and is the same price, sounds like a win win win to me. I would trust the word of Niksub1 over the word of God when it comes to watercooling. You are welcome to drown your system with Xerex, Pentosin, or HydrX to keep corrosion from occuring, while taking away the ability for your coolant to carry heat away from the processor just to prove your point. I'll happily keep my pure distilled water loop, reap all the benefits of copper only, and be on my merry way.

[nikhsub1]

Why do I have a feeling this is another case of a guy running straight water in his loop and is now crying foul? He has been asked on two different forums (he has an agenda) and has yet to answer what was in the loop, fluid wise.

Rick, it shouldn't matter what he ran in his loop. The top is corroded. It would not happen without aluminum. Period.

[Cupcake]

what was he running ? puke cooling :p

I run straight distilled water with my loop and my GTX is fine

[breakneckspeeds]

I bet the guy bashed the inside of that top with some rocks before putting it back together and ran it awhile lol... just to stir up trouble

OOH .. better yet, he SANDED the inside of it.. before putting it hahaha

[Mord]

Guys, why the flaming and names here?
Why the speculating?
Why talk sh1t?

This is no [H], let the man post if he needs/wants to! 3 pages of crap! I saw the thread and thought - wow 3 pages, something must be going on. NOT!

We should all wait on Gabe/OBR to post a statement