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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberDruid View Post
    @ SDumper: So it seems too me that you are getting your stability with the stiff FSBT voltage.

    I'll try that. I had been leery or jacking the FSBT up so I've been slamming the NB and CPU instead...

    S far I am having trouble Folding any faster than 8 x 450...
    Its a fine balance at first I was just cranking up more NB volts but wasnt getting the stability or temp control that I like so I decided to tackle the voltage noise from the NB back to the CPU where my cooling was stiffer that's where the FSBT came in to play sense the FSBT voltage is terminating at the CPU I was able to leverage the SS cooling and crank the FSBT up a bit with out danger. Still Im hoping to reduce the FSBT voltage down once I liquid cool my chipset on Monday. All in all this board is faster than my BlackPearl at lower overclocks.

    Your right about SuperPi you dont get any bump at all from a quad...in fact its a drawback...
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    So cranking the FSBT will increase the CPU temps?

    Going to fiddle around and see what I can get.

    I usually start high to ensure I lose no WUs and then gradually twiddle it downwards...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberDruid View Post
    So cranking the FSBT will increase the CPU temps?

    Going to fiddle around and see what I can get.

    I usually start high to ensure I lose no WUs and then gradually twiddle it downwards...
    Yes more so than it impacts your NB its used to stabilize the voltage noise from the NB back to the CPU...


    FSB Termination Voltage:
    Source -> Line -> Component -> Short line -> Termination

    the "lines" in this case are signal traces. High speed switching operations can cause reflections on the line (in essence, this is resonant noise caused from high-speed switching on the lines as the memory controller gates on and off to place data on the bus, nothing more than rising and falling voltages). clearly enough, the faster the signal switches (higher frequency memory) the more noise.
    So to compensate for noise and reflection as the NB voltage and FSB frequency is raised so to must be the FSB Termination voltage be raised to mirror the NB voltage increase and the Frequency increase. This will in effect smooth the ripple effect caused by increasing on one end and not the other No exact formula here folks trial and error to find the best fit… (parts of this description were borrowed from FCG thanks for the contribution Chris)
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    Hey Leeghoofd setting the FSB Strap to Auto cured all my problems:
    - I dropped my RAM speed from 1003MHz to 961MHz.
    - Tightened my RAM timmings a little (5-5-5-9-3-42-6-3 ----> 5-4-5-9-3-30-6-3).
    - Enabled Dram Static Rd, kept Relax lvl set at 1, and everything works great now.

    I was also able to lower my NB voltage from 1.59V to 1.55V and drop DRAM voltage from 2.10V(2.208V) to 2.06V(2.16V). All of this and I still have very similar Rd, Wt, Copy, and Latency numbers as before. Very Happy, thanks.
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    Well, based on time constraints I'm gonna stick with this board.

    Just wanted to ask btw, I want to get the Thermalright HR-03 Plus for my 8800 Ultra but I'm not sure if I can fit it and use the provided Asus Sound card?

    I also need at least 1 free PCI slot and 1 free PCI Express x1 slot.

    Any suggestions on how to install all this? Or am I going to have to give up the HR-03?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majoram View Post
    Well, based on time constraints I'm gonna stick with this board.

    Just wanted to ask btw, I want to get the Thermalright HR-03 Plus for my 8800 Ultra but I'm not sure if I can fit it and use the provided Asus Sound card?

    I also need at least 1 free PCI slot and 1 free PCI Express x1 slot.

    Any suggestions on how to install all this? Or am I going to have to give up the HR-03?
    It should fit, i got my Xfi in the PCI slot just above the GFX and just under the black PCIe-slot.
    Only need to trim two fins on the heatsink of Xfi since them interfear with the tall nuts of HR03 Plus mountingkit. Donīt know if it is posible to have the nuts downwards and the smaller head upwards.
    However the last PCI slot will be blocked by the fan on HR03.
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    Hi guys, got this board and seems to have my pci-ex frequency overclocked under setfsb (126Mhz) although I fix it at 101 in the bios. Dunno how to fix it? Is there any overclocking of this port in bios in auto mode? I got the 0505. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by culex44 View Post
    Hi guys, got this board and seems to have my pci-ex frequency overclocked under setfsb (126Mhz) although I fix it at 101 in the bios. Dunno how to fix it? Is there any overclocking of this port in bios in auto mode? I got the 0505. Thanks
    Yes, its under Extreme Tuner and PCI-E Frequency..... I cant boot over 120 I lose SATA connectivity, just as a warning.


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    And running 0701 now, seems stable so far, gained 200MB/s read and lowered latencies.....just had to set clock twister to light, enable DRAM static read and set transaction booster to enabled and 0; 12hour stable so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E.R View Post
    It should fit, i got my Xfi in the PCI slot just above the GFX and just under the black PCIe-slot.
    Only need to trim two fins on the heatsink of Xfi since them interfear with the tall nuts of HR03 Plus mountingkit. Donīt know if it is posible to have the nuts downwards and the smaller head upwards.
    However the last PCI slot will be blocked by the fan on HR03.
    Hmm, here's what I what I was wondering.

    The manual says the audio card has to go into the black x1 slot at the top.
    Plus I need to fit my TV Tuner PCI card and a x1 expansion card for 2 SATA ports.

    So lets say I setup the HR-03 so that it sits on both sides of the card like in the Type II setup instructions below:
    http://www.thermalright.com/a_page/m..._hr03-plus.htm

    Now I wonder:
    1) Will the maximus audio card still fit in the top x1 slot?
    - This is the ideal case as nothing changes and everything fits!
    - PCI TV Tuner at the bottom, SATA card in middle and audio at the top

    2) OR if it cannot fit, will it work in another x1 slot?
    - Hopefully both x1 slots below the primary x16 will be open and then both the audio card and the SATA card can fit.
    - TV Tuner still goes to bottom most PCI slot.

    3) OR will I have to move my video card to the secondary x16 slot?
    - Audio card remains in top slot.
    - TV Tuner card now goes to top PCI slot.
    - Hopefully can either fit the SATA card in the x1 slots in middle or I guess in the x16??

    I really have no idea about the size of the HR03 Plus with a fan will fit, so all this is just maybees until I get everything back together on Monday.

    Comments from anyone with the HR03 Plus would be appreciated.

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    whats the latest stable bios so far? i'm still on 0401
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    Quote Originally Posted by chocobo15 View Post
    whats the latest stable bios so far? i'm still on 0401
    0701 is the latest but somewhere in the thread, I believe a Beta tester posted 0702 but I don't know how genuine that is.

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    Bios 702 - no tested

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelawns View Post


    Just by clicking on the Apply button... They make it too easy to make mistakes!

    Well, I have RMA'd my processor because its now causing the BSOD everytime I try to do anything other than standard? Surely I must have done something to it? Or have I just corrupted my XP install??
    Oh that's all you did man? You don't have to RMA your CPU. Just boot into safe mode by pressing F8 and uninstall the AI suite, then delete the registry entries. You're getting BSODs because AI suite has written a registry key that changes the FSB via software.....even though it contradicts what the motherboard is reading off the microcode of the CPU. TBH I wouldn't even bother with AI except for fan control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TouGe View Post
    Hey Leeghoofd setting the FSB Strap to Auto cured all my problems:
    - I dropped my RAM speed from 1003MHz to 961MHz.
    - Tightened my RAM timmings a little (5-5-5-9-3-42-6-3 ----> 5-4-5-9-3-30-6-3).
    - Enabled Dram Static Rd, kept Relax lvl set at 1, and everything works great now.

    I was also able to lower my NB voltage from 1.59V to 1.55V and drop DRAM voltage from 2.10V(2.208V) to 2.06V(2.16V). All of this and I still have very similar Rd, Wt, Copy, and Latency numbers as before. Very Happy, thanks.
    Good jobmate then, never touched the Strap control anyway... I kinda like this board, though I'm not a big FSB OC'er...let alone a ram tweaker 400FSB here 24.7(with 8 multi), 450 or so for benching and showing off
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle View Post
    I have the exact same SPI as you using a E6850 @ 3.6 using P5W DH.
    9x multi
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    Temps read 25C but I doubt that's right.
    That still proves the 975 chipset is an amasing good chip, too bad it doesn't do high 400 plus FSB with the quads otherwise I would hav enever ever swapped it
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX View Post
    Yes, its under Extreme Tuner and PCI-E Frequency..... I cant boot over 120 I lose SATA connectivity, just as a warning.
    Thanks but I've already fixed it to 101 in extreme tuner (PCI-E frequency) but frequency still 126Mhz under setFSB (maybe it's just a bug of this soft?). I was thinking about a paremeter like PEG link which o/c the frequency of PCI-E in auto mode but I can't find it in the bios of the maximus (this option was accessible for my ex-P5B deluxe for example). I've just found PEG port control but when I disabled it, I lost my graphic connection (it's seems logical in fact). Do you see an overclocking of your pci-e frequency under setfsb too?
    EDIT: maybe it's a bug of setFSB because all my drive (HDD and DVD writer) are in sata and works well. I don't loose the sata connectivity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majoram View Post
    0701 is the latest but somewhere in the thread, I believe a Beta tester posted 0702 but I don't know how genuine that is.

    Asus FTP Site:
    ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...ximus_Formula/

    BIOS 0702
    It is legit, I tried it. However it seems to suck!:P I lost my max overclock, where as 0701 gained me a few MHz FSB over 0505...


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    Quote Originally Posted by binormalkilla View Post
    Oh that's all you did man? You don't have to RMA your CPU. Just boot into safe mode by pressing F8 and uninstall the AI suite, then delete the registry entries. You're getting BSODs because AI suite has written a registry key that changes the FSB via software.....even though it contradicts what the motherboard is reading off the microcode of the CPU. TBH I wouldn't even bother with AI except for fan control.
    He he. I requested the RMA anyway and the new CPU arrived today before I even returned the old one!

    Last night, I finally got my 2x 36gb Raptors working in RAID0 after many BSOD and head scratching moments. I now have XP Pro fully installed (using my new SP2 Slipstreamed disk thanks to Leeghoofd for the link) and fully updated. I didn't install the Asus AI software, just the latest Intel & LAN drivers downloaded of the Asus webby before I formatted. I will installe PC Probe later too.

    I ran 3DMark06 and it came back with a score of 8713 (or thereabouts) with everything as standard.

    Edit: Just to add, the new score was nearly 200 points better than the first time I ran it after a clean install a couple of days ago!!
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    Thanks to Sdumper for the tips on FSBT volts...I was able to lower my Vcore and NB and gained stability with added FSBT voltage. The rig is Folding solid at 3700 all night...going to try and lower the volts and raise the bus again some more...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maglin View Post
    what problem are you having? On Vista 64 SuperPi 32m will just stop at loop 6. It says their is a problem with the application. It's not throwing out a rounding error nor locking up the computer.
    Wahhhhhh, thats the exact problem ive been having! Ive been ripping my hair out trying to get SuperPi 32M stable with Vista X64 and now i learn that its a programming problem, not stability. No wonder OCCT runs fine but Pi wont! THANKS!!
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    I found that the AI suite totally borks my Vista 64 rig. Uninstalled the AI suite all is well...
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    CyberDruid. The newest AIsuite worked for me but it was doing stuff on it's own as any reboot would be the power down and reboot (cold boot) instead of a normal warm boot. I'm noticed this is only when some bios settings have been changed so I just run with only PC Probe II installed for Asus software.

    Budwise. I've never really cared about getting my computer totally stable for every program out their as some times new hardware actually is incompatablie somehow and requires software fixes. I do try to make my system at least Prime95 stable for 12hrs. BTW It's Prime95 stable for 20 hrs. but it would still crash super Pi 32m.

    I only started getting good OC's after I had fudged FSBT. I didn't totally think that it alone was responsible but now I'm running 450x8 with only thing being touched was FSBT. I just upped it 2 notches which is showing 1.57v in Probe. I'm going to work on getting this stable and I'll report back.

    Edit: Can anyone say what CPU PLL does? Like I don't know what CPU PLL is. Is it the voltage going to the FSB crystal?
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    Glad to hear it helped Cyber
    I have a few really good boards in stockpile right now and this is the current favorite over my P5B Deluxe, EVGA 680i A1, BlackPearl - P5K Premium, and P5k Deluxe wi-fi. This board may not hit 530+ fsb like my P5k does but thats fine with me because this board makes up for it in a lot of other areas. I just wish I had a couple super fast ATI cards instead of my 8800gtx gear...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberDruid View Post
    I found that the AI suite totally borks my Vista 64 rig. Uninstalled the AI suite all is well...
    I agree - it is showing the temps. but nothing else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maglin View Post
    Edit: Can anyone say what CPU PLL does? Like I don't know what CPU PLL is. Is it the voltage going to the FSB crystal?

    http://www.jmax-hardware.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=317&Item id=42&limit=1&limitstart=11


    Conference press ASUS/J-max of 15.10.2007, but only in french exclusive

    To be simplified, in addition to the vcore we all know, there's another internal voltage for CPUs widely ignored. It is a CPU internal voltage necessary to generate a precise clock ratio between the FSB and CPU internal frequency so they are synchronized. The PLL voltage can help make that internal clock more precise, so the CPU better synchronized.

    ASUS representatives said that a PLL voltage of 3.2v lead to degraded CPU overclock ability later, that is, very rapid CPU deterioration. But it is one of those voltage that can help stabilize the CPU with the vcore and FSBT voltage
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    not my best research/FAQ but its described here: http://www.blazingpc.com/forum/showt...907/index.html

    CPU PLL Voltage:
    As FSB and other frequency adjustments are made and termination settings adjusted to compensate for noise in the voltage lines the CPU PLL may become out of balance. To compensate for higher FSB overclocks the PLL voltage must be adjusted upward accordingly. This is a hit or miss adjustment which will require fine tuning. For more on PLL see the excerpt below:

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    Frequency synthesizers use PLLs to generate frequencies from reference sources. Although some PLL-based systems use more than one reference, a system can generate multiple frequencies from a single reference. For example, one Cypress CY2291 clock generator replaces many traditional metal-can oscillators on a PC motherboard. This replacement results in a significant reduction in board space and cost. Rarely does an external oscillator generate the reference frequency; instead, a crystal connected to the synthesizer usually supplies the reference frequency.
    Figure 1 shows a block diagram of a PLL. Note that the PLL offers two types of correction. The first type is a frequency correction for large differences between the reference and feedback inputs. Applying power to the frequency synthesizer or significantly changing the feedback frequency activates frequency correction. The second correction is a type of fine tuning based on phase corrections.
    VCO stands for voltage-controlled oscillator, P is a multiplier in the feedback path, and Q is a divider in the reference path. The phase/frequency detector detects differences in phase and frequency between the reference and feedback inputs. The device generates compensating up and down (increase- and decrease-frequency) signals. If the feedback-input frequency is less than the reference frequency, the pulse width of the up signal is greater than that of the down signal; if the feedback frequency is higher than the reference frequency, the pulse width of the down signal is greater than that of the up signal. These control signals pass through a charge pump and a loop filter to generate a control voltage that feeds into a VCO. The frequency of this oscillator depends on the VCTRL input. At steady state, the VCO frequency is:
    FVCO=FREF•(P/Q).
    The output frequency of the PLL is:
    FOUT=(FREF•P)/(Q•N),
    where FVCO=VCO frequency, FREF=reference frequency, P=multiplier (in the feedback path), Q=divider (in the reference path), and N=post divider.
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    Ebay: {Family Account} Kasyg3 http://myworld.ebay.com/kasyg3/
    Ebay: {My personal Account} Sdumper http://myworld.ebay.com/sdumper/
    iTrader: http://www.blazingpc.com/forum/itrader.php?u=28

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