Here's a little teaser....

[dave_graham]

Dear Dave,
My point is that Intel Conroe was putting in great scores months before release even with new BIOS and motherboards. K10 doesn't do the same after release, what does that show?

i understand taking a few days to respond but seriously, this has been thrashed through enough by myself and others. read the pages AFTER your initial email.

You say I attack people, however I have only ever attacked the initial K10 results and said that "excuses" for it were not logical. If you want an example of somone attacking the person let me quote you on another forum:-

""i'm a liar at Xtremesys by a few uninformed imbeciles but, whatever....""

Nobody called you a liar, we were trying to work out the steppings by asking questions to try and get to the bottom of it. Nice to know what you actually think of us when you are not here though.....

that was from here: http://forums.2cpu.com/showpost.php?...1&postcount=48 (for reference)...always quote your source, zakelwe.

hey, you missed one here: http://forums.2cpu.com/showpost.php?...9&postcount=73

In that thread i say:

it's the ridiculous amounts of intel/AMD fan-s over at XS that are wearing me out. figure it this way, I'm probably my nicest at 10am....my most grouchy at 5pm.

on AMDZone, i said this: http://amdzone.com/index.php?name=PN...wtopic&t=11206

fighting ignorant trolls over at XS....it's tiring.

let's see...where else have I posted? gah...it escapes me...


actually, it's been implied, im'd, and others directly to me. i neither have the time, patience, or energy to go through and grab all the snarks that have been tossed my way. Have I lost my patience? you betcha. you can quote me anywhere you want, the message is still the same. iirc, that might have been from 2cpu where GENERALLY speaking, the level of intelligent conversation around this particular topic has been lightyears beyond here. With KTE's, PhilDoc's, et al. entrance into this thread, we actually have a bit of work to do.

see, at other places, there are less trolls simply entering into threads bashing a concept or a company. at XS, it's taken to the extreme. Not only do i have to defend myself, my statements, my ideals, i have to protect EVERYTHING i say since, as you've so delicately pointed out, i might infer something that I never actually said. happens too often here which is why i took about a 4 month hiatus before coming back. it's tiring and, when you actually have another job, it's not worth it.

And as for you claim about :-


"i have been upfront in claiming that B1 cores with their BIOS workaround DO cause performance deficits"

I can inform you now that Anandtech were using BA and B1 according to a source at Anandtech and did not notice a difference between the two but they are still testing and will give a full report later.

well, given that i've talked to Anand about it, they've disclosed that they used B1 and B2 steppings in their reviews, i don't see how your statement brings anything new to the table. *shrug*

On the subject of testing, you said why don't I shut up and wait for you to get testing these things in anger. Good idea. I waited and you both are producing very little so I thought I'd just mention

SHOW US THE BEEF

i'm testing at the right i'm able to. trying balancing a day job, a pregnant wife, a 2.5 year old child, and any number of other things that I do. matter of fact, don't because that would, in addition, complicate your ability to shoot arrows at the undefended down below. I buy all my own hardware, with the exception of processors and the OCCASIONAL memory relief, and have to fit it into the budget. I've already explained that I'm receiving BA steppings within a week or so, so, you can keep asking for it, but i'm going to keep saying, it's coming. then again, that gives you another platform to cast dispersion on myself and others for at least attempting to intelligently answer "critics," "trolls," and "fanboys" (on both accounts) with the platform performance. I can't help it if your expectations and timelines are unrealistic.

XS is all about results on the desktop, not excuses and what ifs and could have beens and just wait a bit longer and the platforms currently is not right. A fantasic processor would still cut through all of this like Woodcrest did.

and your point is? woodcrest and clovertown weren't without their share of problems though intel has a better track record of first run releases. who cares? the "results on the desktop" statement is...well, interesting. the issue is that XS exists in a vacuum; it in no way, shape, or form represents what revenuing partners, manufacturers, etc. care about when it comes to processor design. See, i guarantee that AMD didn't stop by XS and go, "wow, these XS guys are so cutting edge that we need to release a product that will appease them." that's what's so unbelievably unrealistic about your worldview.

You have to walk the walk, not talk the talk and after 17 pages how much walking has actually been done in this thread? And this is a cpu that is being shipped for revenue, not something to be released in Q108

Regards

Andy

and I am. simple as that. I've engaged the resources that I've had the time to all while balancing work and family. i'd like to see you do the same.

it's easy to cast stones...much harder to actually quarry them.

dave