Official HD 2900 Discussion Thread

[Shintai]

Vista is the gaming platform of choice using crysis and other titles that soon comes out.
there is the ati XT the card to have.

Crossfire solutions will also be one where 8 cards might run at the same time.
Where performance will scale well. Nvidia has nothing there as of now.

Dx9 isnt the design choice for 2900XT as I seen it, all stuff indicate and points to DX10 and up and Vista.
So not suprised if games show a lower number in the begining, drivers will enhance that pretty much even in dx9.
3Dmark indicate the cards works well, so its all drivers to get.

Why would it be magically amazing faster in DX10 compared to DX9? It would be something we havent seen before in the DX history with cards.

And 3Dmark is hardly worth its own reputation. Since GPU makers have been cheating alot before in that bench.

[ownage]

Why would it be magically amazing faster in DX10 compared to DX9? It would be something we havent seen before in the DX history with cards.

Because its a DX10 architecture??

[Shintai]

Because its a DX10 architecture??

And? Did the DX9 cards perform alot better in DX9 than DX8/8.1? Did the DX8 cards perform better in DX8 than DX7? And so on...

The "faster in DX10" is a desperate hope...

[Noobie]

hm..ill wait when there are more reviews and with some fresh drivers. The card cant be that bad.

Me too. Look at the AA numbers from that review:
1280 - 4x AA - CoH - 122
1280 - 4x AA - FEAR - 81
1280 - 4x AA - FarCry - 97
1280 - 4x AA - Oblivion - 47
1280 - 4x AA - Prey - 81
1280 - 4x AA - SC - 43
1280 - 4x AA - X3 - 71

1280 - 8x AA - CoH - 117
1280 - 8x AA - FEAR - 48
1280 - 8x AA - FarCry - 86
1280 - 8x AA - Oblivion - 41
1280 - 8x AA - Prey - 66
1280 - 8x AA - SC - 37
1280 - 8x AA - X3 - 61

2560 - 4x AA - CoH - 53.3
2560 - 4x AA - FEAR - 35
2560 - 4x AA - FarCry - 44
2560 - 4x AA - Oblivion - 24
2560 - 4x AA - Prey - 46
2560 - 4x AA - SC - 20
2560 - 4x AA - X3 - 36

2560 - 8x AA - CoH - 53.1
2560 - 8x AA - FEAR - 32
2560 - 8x AA - FarCry - 43
2560 - 8x AA - Oblivion - 22
2560 - 8x AA - Prey - 32
2560 - 8x AA - SC - 20
2560 - 8x AA - X3 - 29

So much weird stuff in those numbers.....

[AbelJemka]

And? Did the DX9 cards perform alot better in DX9 than DX8/8.1? Did the DX8 cards perform better in DX8 than DX7? And so on...

The "faster in DX10" is a desperate hope...

GeForce 7 compete with Radeon X19xx in all game when both cards where release but in all recents games Radeon X19xx truncate them.

Look at ATI numbers versus Nvidia numbers. ATI cards totally dominate Nvidia card!!! Nvidia cards grow old badly compare to ATI cards. 9800pro card numbers are impressive in today games.

[Shintai]

GeForce 7 compete with Radeon X19xx in all game when both cards where release but in all recents games Radeon X19xx truncate them.

Look at ATI numbers versus Nvidia numbers. ATI cards totally dominate Nvidia card!!! Nvidia cards grow old badly compare to ATI cards. 9800pro card numbers are impressive in today games.

Uhmm...no?
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/20...x/index.x?pg=1

And even in new games, only a few got the ATI dominance. And mainly due to product refresh and driver focus.

But you left all the reason out on, why it should be faster in DX10.

[ownage]

Uhmm...no?
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/20...x/index.x?pg=1

And even in new games, only a few got the ATI dominance. And mainly due to product refresh and driver focus.

But you left all the reason out on, why it should be faster in DX10.

Your the type that only looks at FPS lol!!
By looking at that review you would say that 7900series is actually better then the X1900series??

[Shintai]

G80 shaders are optimised for DX9 and can process DX10 code as well
R600 shaders are optimised for DX10 and can process DX9 code as well

IMO NVIDIA did the smarter decision, keeping in mind there are no DX10 games yet

By the time we have a good number of DX10 games they will release G90 that will probably be more DX10 optimised

And we know this how? Official statements?

[Shintai]

Your the type that only looks at FPS lol!!
By looking at that review you would say that 7900series is actually better then the X1900series??

Ye, FPS doesnt matter when you game....might get 1-2FPS, but DAMN IT LOOKS GOOD on this 9800pro!!!!!!!11111

[AbelJemka]

What the meaning of the TechReport review?
Moreover saying that ATI dominance in some game (GeForce 7 vs X19xx) is due to product refresh and driver focus is very funny : Nvidia nerver refreshed their line and never released driver update?
I can't prove at the moment that they will be faster in DX10 but you can't prove either way that "it's a desperate hope".

[onethreehill]

Quick test on new ATI new GC
http://forums.hardwarezone.com/showthread.php?t=1607936

[fornowagain]

Link

At the MSI PC2008 event yesterday in Taipei MSI showed off its watercooled version of the Radeon HD 2900XT and we snapped a shot for you to ogle over for now. We’re working on the coverage of the whole event and it will be up later today. But for now, enjoy this picture of this card which has a very nice looking watercooler on it.

[fornowagain]

Quick test on new ATI new GC
http://forums.hardwarezone.com/showthread.php?t=1607936

okey dokey. i can only consider myself one of those lucky guys to get my hands on some new toys (retail version) before it's launched next week for some testing.

however, i encounter some issues in running benchmarks on Win XP, thus have to do it on Windows Vista. Would feedback to ATI on this issue & see if there's any new or official drivers to solve it.

& of cos, not forgetting it's challenger... i used the 88gts 320MB from Asus as a comparison.

a teaser for all interested.

Test Platform

Intel E6600
Asus P5B Deluxe
2 x 1GB D9GMH KVR
Seagate SATA 80GB HDD
Windows Vista Home Premium

& le't's go

8800GTS Stock


ATI Stock


ATI Overdrive MAX OC


Now that GTS is getting spanked.

[Shintai]

Now that GTS is getting spanked.

If only that was so, then a 8600GTS would be alot better buy than a x1950Pro. Yet, when we drop 3Dmark and play actual games it turns around. And 3DMark cheat drivers aint uncomon

Last nVidia driver gave what, 200-500 more 3Dmarks and nothing in real games.

And Vista is also a bad test, since nVidias drivers is abit behind there.

[bloodbanger]

why didn't he use a 8800Gts 640mb?It seems to me that that card is the one 2900XT is competing against?

[fornowagain]

If only that was so, then a 8600GTS would be alot better buy than a x1950Pro. Yet, when we drop 3Dmark and play actual games it turns around. And 3DMark cheat drivers aint uncomon

Last nVidia driver gave what, 200-500 more 3Dmarks and nothing in real games.

And Vista is also a bad test, since nVidias drivers is abit behind there.

Alright That GTS is getting spanked at stock in 3dmark06 using Vista.

[korda]

why didn't he use a 8800Gts 640mb?It seems to me that that card is the one 2900XT is competing against?

He probably didn't have one.

I'm so damn tired of scores in 3dcrap by now, show us what the damn card can do in games instead.

[cantankerous]

The card does well but only when overclocked to max overdrive. I wasnt impressed until be broke 10k in 06 and even that needed 860 on the core and 900 on the memory. That says nothing about how it does in actual games either. If all cards are guaranteed to do max overdrive that is great but what if your card is weak and falls short. You are losing performance right off the bat that is needed to stay high.

[wickedld9]

And Vista is also a bad test, since nVidias drivers is abit behind there.

LMAO! Thanks for the laugh, what a terrible argument. G80 has been shipping for 6 months and you're saying "oh don't compare on Vista cuz Nvidia is behind." The test was completed with Beta drivers from ATI on a card that isn't released to the public yet vs NVIDIA's shipping drivers and product.

[Shintai]

LMAO! Thanks for the laugh, what a terrible argument. G80 has been shipping for 6 months and you're saying "oh don't compare on Vista cuz Nvidia is behind." The test was completed with Beta drivers from ATI on a card that isn't released to the public yet vs NVIDIA's shipping drivers and product.

Its no secret ATI/AMD spend alot more time on Vista drivers and knowhow. When MS told the GPU makers to start, ATI relatively quickly followed. While nVidia was busy playing with quad sli drivers. Hell, G80 was even launched and didn´t have a Vista driver before what? 3 months ago?

[AbelJemka]

So to conclude we can't compare R600 and G80 on Vista coz they both use experimental drivers

[bloodbanger]

NEW review,looks more thrust-worthy than the previous ones!
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...n_HD_2900_XT/1

[mascaras]

ATI HD 2950XT scheduled for Q3


To save the lousy year

We already wrote about the ATI HD 2950XTX card based on R650, the 65 nanometre chip scheduled for Q3 2007 here.

There will be one more high end card based on the 65 nanometre chip that is likely to replace the soon to be launched Radeon HD 2900XT cards. The new 65 nanometre core codenamed R650 based card will be known as ATI Radeon HD 2950XT. This is the slower revision of the R650 core.

We hope for DAAMIT's sake that they will manage to launch these R650 based cards in September / end of Q3, but how can you put your trust in roadmaps from a company that delayed every single chip this year.

The Nvidia G90 should be ready around the same time, but we have very little information about shrinked version of the G80 chip.




http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...916&Item id=1

:thumbsup:

[Gambit_2K]

NEW review,looks more thrust-worthy than the previous ones!
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...n_HD_2900_XT/1

Did you copy any text from the review? It's seems to have been taken down already.

[eXceeded]

I found some info from an unknown source...