NEW Personal temperature record by piotres : -93.1*C ;-) and show on single-stage

[kayl]

Hmm, so ya get -59c on 115w dummy load, but benching a X6800 at 1.6vcore at around 4ghz and you also get -60c load in in 3dmark. Say a lot about what you think is a hot processor. Why you benching such low low vcore?? Wheres the 1.7+vcore and some orthos action for an hour, I hate it when ppl post results like this, really feel bad for the customer when they put there quad core CPu in there and run real vcores. I bet that temp sky rocks after 2mins of orthos and a real vcore let alone a 4ghz overclock. Running that sort of vacuum, I hate to work out the compressor ratios, I think I can here the compressor grinding away from here.
Depending on your version of single stage and others, single stage to me means one compressor, so cyroteck -141c and blaster at -125c leave these temps for dead, we don’t see them going on about WR’s.

[Moc]

Depending on your version of single stage and others, single stage to me means one compressor, so cyroteck -141c and blaster at -125c leave these temps for dead, we don’t see them going on about WR’s.

Hm, so you don't think there is a difference between SS and autocascade??

[johann]

As I said before, a very nice unit but the way its presented as "Singlestage world record" and the completely misleading load testing numbers are BS

All its doing is misleading people, especially newbies that know nothing of phase cooling.

[zabomb4163]

Hm, so you don't think there is a difference between SS and autocascade??

Cryotek's autocascades use a similarly sized compressor while maintaining -140C at load and -170C idle. THAT is skill while at the same time not leaving the compressor in the a vacum.

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[Moc]

I know that but you can't compare apples with oranges...

[t800]

no load temps mean NOTHING.

Normal overclockers they don't, but that's no reason why not go for record of lowest SS temp, meaning that only important thing then is only the temp, so then the load temps are meaningless.

completely misleading load testing numbers are BS

how so? cause one test piotres refers 3dmark as fully load?

[runmc]

The low temperature is appreciated. I believe the people here making negative statements have a long term result in mind. Like Walt and a couple other mentioned running in a deep vacuum is harmful to the unit and not good for a lasting unit.
Walt has worked for the general public for many years trying to give his customers a lasting product, he as well as kayle and Johann are thinking in long term. Thanks Walt for looking out for the consumers.

I think we should appreciate constructive comments on both sides and learn from each in a gentlemanly fashion.

[Unknown_road]

The low temperature is appreciated.

not by me because it doesn't say anything, it's not like a suicide screen of your cpu. this is just closing a valve not tweaking it with lot of effort. Lot of people who know nothing about refrigeration will be impressed by such a temp but this is misguided. That, I think, is our point.

I don't really know piotres, I just hope he is honest to his customers to say this temp is useless else they will be very dissappointed.

I often said it before but I think, as a subforum, we should strive for more professionalisme and only post temps that matter because those temps are an achievement and something to be proud of.

the load temps are good but the only thing people really see is the -93*C .

But this begins to feel a bit like I'm bashing piotres, which is absolutly not my intention, so I'll shut up. Sorry piotres.

[johann]

not by me because it doesn't say anything, it's not like a suicide screen of your cpu. this is just closing a valve not tweaking it with lot of effort. Lot of people who know nothing about refrigeration will be impressed by such a temp but this is misguided. That, I think, is our point.

I don't really know piotres, I just hope he is honest to his customers to say this temp is useless else they will be very dissappointed.

I often said it before but I think, as a subforum, we should strive for more professionalisme and only post temps that matter because those temps are an achievement and something to be proud of.

the load temps are good but the only thing people really see is the -93*C .

But this begins to feel a bit like I'm bashing piotres, which is absolutly not my intention, so I'll shut up. Sorry piotres.

I agree, Piotres makes lovely units I dont think he intends to mislead people with the temps, I just dont think its fair calling it a World record, because it is not one.

[potkit]

not by me because it doesn't say anything, it's not like a suicide screen of your cpu. this is just closing a valve not tweaking it with lot of effort. Lot of people who know nothing about refrigeration will be impressed by such a temp but this is misguided. That, I think, is our point.

I don't really know piotres, I just hope he is honest to his customers to say this temp is useless else they will be very dissappointed.

I often said it before but I think, as a subforum, we should strive for more professionalisme and only post temps that matter because those temps are an achievement and something to be proud of.

the load temps are good but the only thing people really see is the -93*C .

But this begins to feel a bit like I'm bashing piotres, which is absolutly not my intention, so I'll shut up. Sorry piotres.

everyone knows that that temp is useless, but it's nice to see some low temp readings, it's like when people ask for frost pics, frost is useless but people like to see it

[johann]

everyone knows that that temp is useless, but it's nice to see some low temp readings, it's like when people ask for frost pics, frost is useless but people like to see it

Yes but why do you call it a "world record" ?

Its no world record, anybody can do that

[potkit]

Yes but why do you call it a "world record" ?

Its no world record, anybody can do that

i never called it a world record i just made a comment about slhx which me and piotres were talking about before, that's all

[piotres]

Hmm, so ya get -59c on 115w dummy load, but benching a X6800 at 1.6vcore at around 4ghz and you also get -60c load in in 3dmark. Say a lot about what you think is a hot processor. Why you benching such low low vcore?? Wheres the 1.7+vcore and some orthos action for an hour, I hate it when ppl post results like this, really feel bad for the customer when they put there quad core CPu in there and run real vcores. I bet that temp sky rocks after 2mins of orthos and a real vcore let alone a 4ghz overclock. Running that sort of vacuum, I hate to work out the compressor ratios, I think I can here the compressor grinding away from here.
Depending on your version of single stage and others, single stage to me means one compressor, so cyroteck -141c and blaster at -125c leave these temps for dead, we don’t see them going on about WR’s. Single stage for me means single stange and mine "LOL-record" has been made in SS cathegory ...Cyroteck and Blaster have made autocascades and that're COMPLETELY another systems that SS, You know that

Just say that You hate me and mine work, that will be shorter to say .

Only 1.6Vcore becasue or problems with mobo .

BTW - piotres - beautiful job. How do you like the controllers? I just got two in the mail that I will be listing very soon.

Quite nice, but that -54*C limit SUXXX . I recomend all to use controllers with Kprobe to use in strong singles .

the load temps are good but the only thing people really see is the -93*C .

I think people aren't blind, are they ?

I've already wrote that in first pot (and show on pictures) but I make that again :

LOAD TESTING RESULTS on dummyloads :

223W = -44*C
202W = -50*C
115W = -59*C

Regards
Peter

[t800]

Yes but why do you call it a "world record" ?

Actually reading this thread, you are only one here who claims it's world record.

You perhaps missed this line from piotres:

nd fighting for the COLDEST temperatures on evap (completelly closed CPEV) . RESULT : -93.1*C (that's now not WR , becasue Symphy has beat me with -94.4*C

[johann]

t800 Am I the only one????

Are you Piotres's girlfriend or something?

Perhaps if you READ THE TITLE OF THE THREAD you will see Im not the one that claims world records.

LOL you are so funny, people like you make my day thanks!!!

[kayl]

Just say that You hate me and mine work, that will be shorter to say .

Only 1.6Vcore becasue or problems with mobo .

LOAD TESTING RESULTS on dummyloads :

223W = -44*C
202W = -50*C
115W = -59*C

Regards
Peter

NOt hate, just returning negative stuff like ya did in my thread. NOt nice ppl saying bad stuff about ppls units and oc is it
It is the coldest basic single but not the coldest single stage no load or load or loaded basic single stage, autocascades to me are single stages as well.

[t800]

bla bla

Yep ok, that comment reached level of something that i'm not gonna go.

[johann]

Good, I dont think anyone cares

[piotres]

NOt hate, just returning negative stuff like ya did in my thread. NOt nice ppl saying bad stuff about ppls units and oc is it OK, sorry, but I really had thought that what I've wrote about Your cascade ...but OK, I won't be writing anymore into Your topics Peace Kayl, You're great builder, we know that
It is the coldest basic single but not the coldest single stage no load or load or loaded basic single stage, autocascades to me are single stages as well.But for me a-cascade is auto-cascade, and single is single . I see the difference.

Auto cascades are not single stages
Tom

Exactly

t800 Am I the only one????

Are you Piotres's girlfriend or something?

Perhaps if you READ THE TITLE OF THE THREAD you will see Im not the one that claims world records. I think nobody understand that as a WR, except You ...record IS NOT World-record, can You see the difference ?
to MODERATORS : please change title of this topic - add "personal" after record, ok ? Much thanks

LOL you are so funny, people like you make my day thanks!!! I think You have got really bad day Johann ...

PS I wish I hadn't posted that topic ..so much flames about mine poor -93 (-92*c) ...nonsense .

Regards
Peter

[M.Beier]

Nice work IMO..

Peter, a unit such as this is made for benching only, right?
can you please PM me with an estimated price on a unit like this?? - And a -100 (colder) auto as well?
I know a guy thats lookin' for a new unit..

[n00b 0f l337]

I don't think piotres does autocascades, and -100C or colder autocascades are similar generally to polycolds and can cost thousands.

[Sneil]

Nice work IMO..

Peter, a unit such as this is made for benching only, right?
can you please PM me with an estimated price on a unit like this?? - And a -100 (colder) auto as well?
I know a guy thats lookin' for a new unit..

I think you've missed most pple's points here. The -93C means nothing in terms of benching at all. When you actually use this as a benching unit as you'll see n his dummy load results, you'll be in the -40s. Piotres makes good units but just so yo know the -93C in this type of unit is not at all what you should be after.

Nice temp tho piotres!

[G H Z]

It's been awhile since I stopped by here but for the critics please re-read the thread title. "Personal" means it's a record for him only, maybe you need to take some english classes if thats not clear enough

CPEV closed no load, hello. Whats not to understand.

I think it's a great unit and holds good loaded temperatures, not everyone runs a quad. Good work pioties.


LOL GHZ - surprise - I changed the thread title edited by runmc

[Gray Mole]

I don't want to come off sounding like 'prozac boy' or anything but I think we need to calm down and take a step back.

While the statement is 100% correct that this can mislead those that don't really know how refrigeration works into thinking that it's a -93c unit, it's not really doing and serious 'harm' to the industry.

I know when we get the question, as builders, we end up having to explain it but personally I could talk all day about refrigeration and bore most people to tears so I guess I don't mind too much

Like Ron said, stretching a gas to it's limits can be a lot of fun, I've done it here and there myself when I get a new gas, just to see where it stands, where it breaks, and the general behavior of it throughout it's range. AND the cool temps, which is part of what makes this variety of refrigeration so exciting.

Drag racing a phase unit can be cool too.

Running a customer's unit like this can be detrimental, and personally I'd only do it on a test bed that I'd be throwing away later, but it's not going to do that much longterm damage if it's done for a very short time.

Saying that 'anyone can do this' is both true and it's not. Challenging yourself to stretch a gas to it's limit, to build a system purely to see how far you can go with a gas that's totally not meant to do what it's doing, it really does show the spirit of the forum. We can all do it, but do we?

If you can't see the point of the exercise then I think you might be missing the point of the forum. Xtremesystems. Technology, hardware, and thinking that's right on the edge.

Sometimes I think it could be fun to have a contest like this. Just a 'coldest single stage temp' contest. No 'best budget' or whatever system, but just 'balls out' coldest you can make one go without autocascading. No load temps, it wouldn't be about that, just best temp.

That's what the original Autocascade competition was about wasn't it? Was that just a load of (cough) too?

Anyway, congratulations Peter this shows not only the skill and pride you take in the work, but that on the inside you love it. That's what has always kept me doing phase even when I get tired or the work mounts up, on the inside I'm an addict and I guess I always will be. Nice to see that you have the same problem Peter


Cheers

Gray

[hatemi]

Exelent post there Grey