Official Bulldozer "Zambezi" date: August-September

[Skratch]

Yes ,we are in the News section.Unless you have some news to link to,stop useless comparisons to yet unreleased CPUs(SB-E,IB etc.).

When something is posted as false from either side people want to correct it.

Ivy was NEVER supposed to be out in 2011

[jimbo75]

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/06/02/b...d-not-delayed/

Charlie says server and desktop were switched.

[informal]

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/06/02/b...d-not-delayed/

Charlie says server and desktop were switched.

Now this was what I'm talking about.An actual news article!
Thanks for posting .

[rintamarotta]

I really hope they surpass the 2600K clock per clock at stock... not average it... that would be such a disspapointment...

You cannot compare 2 different arch's together clock for clock, its about price, performance and diesize and price to manufacture.

Example : If one companys 4Ghz product is equal at performance and runs same TDP with another companys 3Ghz product but 4Ghz product is cheaper and has smaller die size and costs less to manufacture then 4Ghz product is better, at 3Ghz that 4Ghz product would be slower but whats point of not running product at its designed frequency?

BD is whole new architecture exept that socket didnt change much, you cannot compare it clock for clock with intel products because its designed different way.

Product must compete at its intented price range, cores/frequency doesnt matter anymore at this generation.

[RussC]

RussC: whats special from yout point of view? If u meaning is SB-E 6c/12T performance, then pay more than 1000$ and u have max performance. BD is opossite to LGA1155, not LGA2011 (with more bigger size, more power hungry, more, more expensive as complete set)

Special would be higher performance than INTCs best processors ie 980x/990x. Its quite obvious to anyone who follows this could see that.

because apparently he already knows...
I am also disappointed that BD aint ready yet, but if Russ C wants more, SB-E will not deliver the jump that SB delivered with the K series, which wont be present in SB-E

Again, if u follow this, at the projected price point of Zambieze 8c, its a mid-line CPU. Not a 990x killer, sorry. Go read the threads in the AMD section from the people who are more intimately involved with this. Its obvious that BD is not a INTC killer. If it was, AMD stock would be well north of $10 right now. INTC knows perfrectly well what performance BD has.

How the hell is that relevant in any matter ? If AMD prices its 8 core a bit higher than the 2600k than in their own internal testing it must be on average very close (depending on the workload plus/minus) in performance.

Right, the i7-2600k is a mid-line CPU at high $200 range.

RussC

[QuadDamage]

Man, this Bulldozer is becoming a joke real fast. If Intel rolls out the LGA2011 stuff by the end of the summer, releasing the BD won't make any sense, it'll practically become a silicon version of Duke Nukem Forever except that DnF is actually coming out this month.

[haylui]

Man, this Bulldozer is becoming a joke real fast. If Intel rolls out the LGA2011 stuff by the end of the summer, releasing the BD won't make any sense, it'll practically become a silicon version of Duke Nukem Forever except that DnF is actually coming out this month.

you make SB-E sounds like a sub $200 product;
remember: not all people could afford high end product.
and AMD doesn't position BD against SB-E, they position it to the i7-2600k at max.

[Tenknics]

When something is posted as false from either side people want to correct it.

Ivy was NEVER supposed to be out in 2011

lol, Intel lie us, they told, IB will be at end 4Q 2011 firstly, tahn Q1 2012 and now Q2 2012. WTF?!

Comparing AMD's BD delay to Intel pushing back Ivy 60 days is just silly..

One is artificial, a result of marketing and timing for spacing out products.

The other is a companies lack of ability to produce high performing chips, on time, w/o any problems.

Yes ,we are in the News section.Unless you have some news to link to,stop useless comparisons to yet unreleased CPUs(SB-E,IB etc.).

Should take your own advice...Isn't that what you all are doing already? BD is an unreleased CPU and countless comparisons are made to 2600k and other RELEASED CPUS by you all.

Foot in mouth more?

[highoctane]

AMD doesn't position BD against SB-E, they position it to the i7-2600k at max.

While absolute max performance isn't everything the later BD comes to market the more likely that 2600 is going to be replaced by a faster skew and its price pushed down which in turn affect amd's pricing before they even get the darn thing out of the warehouse.

All else aside getting BD to market in a timely manner would allow them to close the gap and compete with higher ASP's but in the end they may have to focus on competing on price again.

[Olivon]

Now this was what I'm talking about.An actual news article!
Thanks for posting .

Coming from the same site 3 days before :

Bulldozer and Ivy Bridge both delayed a bit

Semi-accurate right ...

[DarthShader]

Semi-accurate right ...

Did you even read today's article? Nope, you didn't...

[Olivon]

Did you even read today's article? Nope, you didn't...

Sure I did

But to be honest, I don't give any credits to S|A. Too much BS ...

[JumpingJack]

Sure I did

But to be honest, I don't give any credits to S|A. Too much BS ...

dancing in the aisles

[XRL8]

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/06/02/b...d-not-delayed/

Charlie says server and desktop were switched.

I call BS, and HARD.JF said TODAY in amd thread that server BD is still Q3.So server one isnt pulled in.And while JF may be misinformed about desktop, im sure he knows about server solutions!

[RiverRicer]

dancing in the aisles

[DarthShader]

I call BS, and HARD.JF said TODAY in amd thread that server BD is still Q3.So server one isnt pulled in.And while JF may be misinformed about desktop, im sure he knows about server solutions!

You know, when a launch date moves by just one month, from August to July, then it's still Q3, right? Lets see what happens.

[kuroikenshi]

Again, if u follow this, at the projected price point of Zambieze 8c, its a mid-line CPU. Not a 990x killer, sorry. Go read the threads in the AMD section from the people who are more intimately involved with this. Its obvious that BD is not a INTC killer. If it was, AMD stock would be well north of $10 right now. INTC knows perfrectly well what performance BD has.


RussC

I do not know where you read 990x on my quote, but I'll give you this one to mke you happy

[XRL8]

You know, when a launch date moves by just one month, from August to July, then it's still Q3, right? Lets see what happens.

In the article it says:

If this looks like AMD did not actually delay anything, just flipped them around, that is about it.

If that was the case, server would launch in Q2.And it will not according to the guy who works for the server department in AMD .
What youre saying is maybe they pulled server in from farther along in Q3 to closer.
Well ,we dont know that as we never had exact date for server.My guess is desktop is gonna launch in two months with widespread availablity in 3 with the server launch.

[jimbo75]

In the article it says:


If that was the case, server would launch in Q2.And it will not according to the guy who works for the server department in AMD .
What youre saying is maybe they pulled server in from farther along in Q3 to closer.
Well ,we dont know that as we never had exact date for server.My guess is desktop is gonna launch in two months with widespread availablity in 3 with the server launch.

It really depends on exactly when server was due to launch. Q3 ends September 30th, 2 months earlier is July 30th.

Q2 ends June 30th. 2 months later is August 30th. Both dates are in Q3 and both have been switched by 2 months so *if* this is what happens there has in fact been no "delay".

I call BS, and HARD.JF said TODAY in amd thread that server BD is still Q3.So server one isnt pulled in.And while JF may be misinformed about desktop, im sure he knows about server solutions!

BD can launch Q3, both server and desktop and the net result would be no delay.

The incredible level of pendantic commentary on this is good enough reason for why AMD only mentioned 2011 on their official roadmap btw. It's a joke how highly scrutinised this has been.

[paulbagz]

I think BD will have to push very hard if its aiming at the 2600K, 6+ cores or not.

Considering there is only really one SB i7 (same chip, locked/unlocked multi) at the moment with the rest being i3/i5/Pentium/Xeon chips its hard to say that they're aiming to beat that.

Intel more then likely has more standard SB (& K's) i7's ready to release once BD makes its way out.

And you can compare different chips and different arch's, that's what synthetic benchmarks are for.

-PB

[Skratch]

I think BD will have to push very hard if its aiming at the 2600K, 6+ cores or not.

Considering there is only really one SB i7 (same chip, locked/unlocked multi) at the moment with the rest being i3/i5/Pentium/Xeon chips its hard to say that they're aiming to beat that.

Intel more then likely has more standard SB (& K's) i7's ready to release once BD makes its way out.

And you can compare different chips and different arch's, that's what synthetic benchmarks are for.

-PB

Considering every 2600k is doing well north 4.7ghz on air,intel can easily put out a 2700k,2800k,2900k and 3000k

4.0
4.2
4.4
4.6

[rintamarotta]

They cant, because intels stock cooler doesnt perform well enough, temperatures would go too high with stock cooler and TDP would sky rocket, ofc they could launch tray versions of those cpu's where it would not matter.

[Skratch]

They cant, because intels stock cooler doesnt perform well enough, temperatures would go too high with stock cooler and TDP would sky rocket, ofc they could launch tray versions of those cpu's where it would not matter.

really? do you have any proof what so ever in what you just said?

[paulbagz]

Considering every 2600k is doing well north 4.7ghz on air,intel can easily put out a 2700k,2800k,2900k and 3000k

4.0
4.2
4.4
4.6

Exactly, they can just up the stock clocks, refine the cooler to shave off a couple of degrees and away you go and this is without anything like cache upgrades etc.

And in all honesty, what systems out there in the real world, using 2600K's, would be using the stock cooler?

No retail machines would be (Acer, HP, Dell). The only users that get K series are overclockers and they all use 3rd party cooling on these chips.

-PB

[rintamarotta]

really? do you have any proof what so ever in what you just said?

Yes because i have tested it my self, depending invidual cpu you cannot get over 4.2Ghz with intel stock cooler.
Mine does that 4.2 with intel stock cooler, with Megahelms its going easy over 4.6Ghz, temps are getting too high with stock cooler, they need better cooler.
Also Intel need to clock cpu's lower than what they could do, they need after all last full warranty leght.

What they can easelly do is ramp up clocks by 200mhz without changing anything so 3.6 or 3.8 ghz is easelly doable for them while having turbo at 4.0 or 4.2Ghz, there is just that TDP, they need up it a bit

Exactly, they can just up the stock clocks, refine the cooler to shave off a couple of degrees and away you go and this is without anything like cache upgrades etc.

And in all honesty, what systems out there in the real world, using 2600K's, would be using the stock cooler?

No retail machines would be (Acer, HP, Dell). The only users that get K series are overclockers and they all use 3rd party cooling on these chips.

-PB

Many systems use 2600K and stock cooler, many system builders use that combination and majority of 2600K's are sold as boxed, some people dont think about cooler since they aint overclocking but they take 2600K just because of its few bux cheaper than non-K at least in here where im living, K is 5$ cheaper.