Preliminary Bulldozer and Llano Pricing Revealed

[zalbard]

So you start out with:

But based on this info you arrive at:


Well done.

You failed at reading the whole thread.
I said IF BD (8 core) was slower than 980X (6 core) @ stock (I'm talking about heavily threaded workloads = 980X target workloads), THEN yes, it would be a fail, since a) it would not be able to compete in high-end with a CPU released over a year ago, b) it would be barely competitive in mid-range with SB and would be totally demolished by IB (just because SB -> IB clock speeds will be at least 20% higher thanks to 22nm transistors and 3D tech).

SB has really fast cores, but only 4 of them. Most don't need 8 cores when buying a mid-range CPU because it is simply too hard to find apps using so many threads. This is where the problem lies. IF BD's cores aren't quite as fast as SB's, THEN it will lose to it in most situations (games, for example). So that's it for mid-range.
Now we look at applications that can utilise a lot of cores. This is what 980X is targeted at. This is where BD has to beat it. That's what I'm talking about. IF BD can't beat 980X at heavily threaded workloads (and BD has more cores), THEN it obviously can't beat it at poorly threaded workloads, either (not to mention SB)! So no wins at all.
Thus it has to do well at least in heavily threaded workloads (so it's well received by servers and power users, although servers have other factors, such as performance per watt; not to mention SB-E coming in Q3 and targeted at the same market).

TL;DR: a) 4-threaded application: BD > SB (assuming) => 8-threaded application: BD >>> GT > SB. Unrealistic.
b) 4-threaded application: SB > BD (assuming); 8-threaded application: BD > GT (assuming) => 8-threaded application: BD >> SB. Plausible and would make sense. So yeah, it has to beat Gulftown.

How about quiting the fanboy talk and wait for some real numbers, huh?

This is not fanboy talk. This is a very realistic approach. I own an AMD system, FYI.
And I guess you totally missed me posting: "I wouldn't trust this info. 99% likely that this is just yet another rumour." No, oh, wait, you even quoted it.

2600K does beat a 980x is some benchmarks. In those where it doesn't, BD is very likely to do much better. See Cine R10 numbers from OBR as an example. 980x stock beaten there.

"How about quiting the fanboy talk and wait for some real numbers, huh?"

no. im german, born in stuttgart (the cars was invented there, its home of mercedes & porsche) and living in munich (bmw). so car analogies = the best thing ever. everyone knows cars, so its easy to understand.

Sorry, man, but that's a terrible approach. Cars don't get evaluated purely by their performance and don't age in a remotely similar fashion to CPUs.

no, BD wont lagg behind. it depends what u r doing with it. server will rock.

That's pure speculation once again. I guess we'll see. You have to remember that SB-E is coming out in Q3 and we don't know much about it. And this will be the real competitor of BD in server space.

So much hassle over made-up pricing.

ive got some asus slides here, confirming the current naming scheme and the TDPs. sorry that i had to censor it.

So can you tell us what's the difference between 8130P and 8110, except for TDP? Just clock speed? Then what does that "P" stand for? Unlocked part?

If the i7 2600k and top FX have similar price and stock performance, but intel keeps the best overclocking potential things can go bad. Their success on that price bracket will depend a lot on that.
Phenom I X4s also had great value @stock and were priced competitively to 775s, but the OC potential of a Q6600 was no match and current SB Ks set the goal very high. I hope BD can really dominate a 2600k in multitasking, so it won't depend on that.

I believe BD should be able to clock pretty well. Weren't there a few mentions that the architecture should allow higher clock speeds?

On a side note, a problem with this pricing (even if it's true) and comparing it to the current SB and Gulftown pricing is that Intel has no pressure to reduce the prices at the moment. They can easily keep things overpriced for great margins (and they do).
This means that they can easily offer significant price reductions if BD is competitive.
We have to really wait till launch before we can assess the price/performance ratio and which manufacturer is better at it. I expect AMD to have a slightly better price/performance ratio in mid-range since they've stuck to this strategy in the past, though.