Quote Originally Posted by tajoh111 View Post
I am not expecting something disastrous. Phenom II was definitely not a disaster, It help AMD catch up alot.

I think it is easier to expect something like phenom II type improvement than expect a crazy improvement. How is expecting Phenom II performance increase vs phenom Intel fanboyish. It is pretty realistic.

I think expecting the second coming of athlon is fanboying and too optimistic. They have so much ground to make up at this point. As for some people not thinking thinking it will match or beat ivy bridge. Look at some people signatures or avatar. E.g Intel is about to get athloned. Phenom II clock for clock,clock for clock is a bit worse than core 2 quad(very slight). So they need to make up for two or three generations. If they can match sandy bridge that would be great but this is a huge endeavor. New Architech dont always pay off. Look at phenom and to a lesser extent the 6970 and Fermi. AMD's track record for CPU's isn't the best lately so its hard to expect a blockbuster.

A Intel fanboy will say BD will disappoint like Phenom I because they are not saying anything and keeping everything under wraps.
You see, phenom I vs phenom II AT SAME CLOCKS AND CORES wasnt that much of a improvement really.What it did bring to the table tho, is clocks, much more of it.And later, cores, 50% more of it.So if you take a look at it YOUR way, its a small decent improvement.But from where im sitting, its pretty much a big one (add higher clocks ,more cores,ddr3,higher attanaible NB speed).
However going back to your first post, you were clearly making it to be a little better than phenom I .Not my choice of words .
Getting back to the point, JF told us that BD will have HIGHER IPC than PHII.
We know from lotsa different sources that beside that it will have:
-More cores
-New instructions
-Higher memory throughput
-Higher clocks
-Big turbo boost

So if youre trying to tell me, that this cpu is going to be just a "bump" from PHII.Thats very unrealistic.Keep in mind tho, im not talking bout the superpi.
Because its quite concevaible that its gonna be just 10% faster at that.Thats possible.Im not working with or playing it tho.
As for the "expecting too much" ,youre saying people here have unrealistic expectations for BD.Well 20% higher IPC on ivybridge is hard to believe also .
Mayeb i should clarify as to what i would consider big upgrade:
-Up to 5ghz overclockability
-10-15% ipc gain
-Core gain (thats a given right now) which gives me 33% more power vs my current X6
-New instruction sets which give me additional boosts here and there (transcoding, pcsx2 etc).

+High speed DDR3

Im expecting all this to give me 40-50% more cpu raw power than my current setup.If its not going to deliver that, im waiting for socket 2011 and examining it.