Quote Originally Posted by XRL8 View Post
Well, so YOU seem to be expecting something disastrous, just not AS disastrous as phenom I (i guess the first TLB bug version, B3 was not that much worse than Q6xxx)
And by "people" i think you mean intel fanboys, because normal people have pretty high expectations of bulldozer, its such a radical departure, first brand new architecture from AMD for years, and all that on brand new (for AMD) process.
Going further in your post.Such a small company like AMD with the resources thay have, had surpassed intel before, so its not like ypu present it ,like its impossible ;-).
NOBODY expects it to beat/match ivybridge clock for clock or core for core.
Ivybridge is a year away, and on a new process, which wont be available for AMD at the same time.And more importantly, definition and inner workings of amd`s "core" and intels core are such radically different for bulldozer that you cant make comparisons like that.Whats going to be important is performance per $,and/or absolute performance.
At this time, it seems first BD is going to be competing with 4 core sandybridge.With 8 cores and big turbo, it seems like it has a chance.
As for intels confidence, they were confident of a netburst architecture with rambus memory.And where it got them ?

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And by the way, isnt ivybridge just a shrink? Shrink doesnt bring big or huge IPC gains, mainly minor ones.
I am not expecting something disastrous. Phenom II was definitely not a disaster, It help AMD catch up alot.

I think it is easier to expect something like phenom II type improvement than expect a crazy improvement. How is expecting Phenom II performance increase vs phenom Intel fanboyish. It is pretty realistic.

I think expecting the second coming of athlon is fanboying and too optimistic. They have so much ground to make up at this point. As for some people not thinking thinking it will match or beat ivy bridge. Look at some people signatures or avatar. E.g Intel is about to get athloned. Phenom II clock for clock,clock for clock is a bit worse than core 2 quad(very slight). So they need to make up for two or three generations. If they can match sandy bridge that would be great but this is a huge endeavor. New Architech dont always pay off. Look at phenom and to a lesser extent the 6970 and Fermi. AMD's track record for CPU's isn't the best lately so its hard to expect a blockbuster.

A Intel fanboy will say BD will disappoint like Phenom I because they are not saying anything and keeping everything under wraps.