NVIDIA GTX 595 (picture+Details)

[takamishanoku]

I've noticed SKYMTL has started posting. If I know my xtremesystems, then he knows something we all don't ;-)

[Karolis]

<...> When was the last time ATI/AMD had the fastest single GPU? Maybe X1950XTX? Even then though, it was by no means a landslide victory.

Nope, that was the 5870 with RV870. And it was significantly faster than GTX285.

[RaV666]

Yea, it was Waaaaaay waaaay in the past.Like 8 months ago.When dinosaurs roam the earth ;-)

[kuroikenshi]

Putting stample on me doesn't prove your ppints. I was hoping you could use constrictive arguments for your claims. Did you run out of arguments?

I don't know what they did in that time, I think they went back to drawing board trying to beat 2X5xx. It doesn't matter what they did, but they have wasted valuable time. Back then they had a chance to take the performance-crown. I don't think they can do the same today.

This "new" 6990 seams to be a repatriation of the last "mistake". Last time they they tried to beat 480, and they did a good job too, but they got a big surprised by 580. This time they are facing 2x560 or 2x570 (or 2x580 according to this unbelievable rumors ), do you think they have a chance to #1? I personally think 2x560 would beat/match it, but nvidia has other options too. that nasty delay cost AMD alot.

last mistake ?? you mean the 5970? the car which was unrivaled up until recently, end even now holds the crown as the fastest in some games..... hummm go on

[Sam_oslo]

last mistake ?? you mean the 5970? the car which was unrivaled up until recently, end even now holds the crown as the fastest in some games..... hummm go on

I was clear what mistake i was talking about. They underestimated the flexibility of Fermi-architecture and got surprised by 580. You got it?

I bet they are going to repeat the same mistake again. This time they are going to get a new surprise, by a new and more efficient GF114, on top of nVidia's "old" options.

[Postmodum]

Hmmm i know when it comes to taking performance crown the price don't matter... but the fact is, 6990 has high probability of beating GTX 590 in price, being able to deliver very high performance.
I have a GTX 295 ... my plan is to get the "logical" replacement, or by other words, the GTX 590 ... but... i really don't know if i will do it ... because or Nvidia takes a rabbit of the hat or this will have a humongous price tag on hit ... :x

GTX 295 was basically a mix between the GTX 260 and 280 ... lower clocks of the 260 with all the shaders from the 280 ( if my memory isn't tricking me ) ... so i guess this will be something that will happen with the 590 ... downgraded 580's in terms of clocks...
But, as i say, or they have an amazing price tag, or people will look at 6990 too ... because, in this moment, even enthusiasts look at price tags

Lets see... what i think is that these big boys are a great investment for people that don't have the possibility or don't like swapping GPU's frequently ...
Another thing... my i7 is a massive power heaters... overclocked, it can produce amazing TDP's ... ( on the negative side ) ... So, having 2 power heaters in the system will be... well ... very demanding for the water cooling system i have :P I will make all the math with those variables... because... let's not forget that 28nm are due to the end of the year. 590's will be in a weird position ... delayed launch due to 6990 not being on the market ... but we know that 28nm chips will be 4-5x more efficient ...

So buying a 700+ Euros ( maybe 800 USD ) board that will be a "hot spot" in your system when talking about heat points ... and in the last quarter new chips will be presented... meh ...

I'm not talking much about the 6990 because, i really think this board will beat the 590 in the price tag... maybe it will end up in the GTX580 price rage... just by making some math with 6970's vs 580's CF/SLI prices...

Both will be extremely hot ( not not sexy... ehehe) ... have huge TDP's ... and well ... in the end, people that buy these cards have multiple monitors and my guess is that 6990 will be better there.

590 will be pure raw power in the 1920x1200 resolution and 2560 resolution ... but ... depends on the clocks ... i mean ... to keep it under a "acceptable" TDP they will have to cut the clocks a lot! :P

[Postmodum]

Remember this from GURU3D?

When we compare to GeForce GTX 280 in SLI we again can do nothing else but notice that the overall GTX 295 performance is really close to a 280 SLI setup... for less money.

What do you get for 499 USD? Well, a product that offers extreme performance. No matter what type of game you throw at it, you flick on the highest image quality settings and go into the highest resolutions. The GTX 295 will get the job done.

and for the GTX 280

Pricing then; we just have to take into account that the GeForce GTX 280 will be introduced at launch with a price of no less than an astounding 649 USD, that's roughly 500-549 EUR here in Europe. And that's a stack load of money for sure which obviously I don't like as much as you do, either. The GeForce GTX 260 (which we hope to review soon) will be launched at a far more interesting 399,- USD retail price.

So lets wait and see

[MaddMuppet]

Well whatever happens, if this card turns out to be real. And I surely hope it is. The next couple of months should make things quite interesting.

[kuroikenshi]

I was clear what mistake i was talking about. They underestimated the flexibility of Fermi-architecture and got surprised by 580. You got it?

I bet they are going to repeat the same mistake again. This time they are going to get a new surprise, by a new and more efficient GF114, on top of nVidia's "old" options.

surprised? fermi perform well that's for sure, the only two cards from the fermi architecture that sold like hotcakes were the GTX460, and now GTX560... I would not call the rest of fermi an awesome buy unless you breathe eat and EVGA & Nvidia.

2x 6950 cost less than gtx 580... and outperform it, why? fermi is too expensive to produce, I would not call that "AMD's mistake" both their architectures are geared differently.

[Postmodum]

Kuro, and why are you comparing 2 GPU's vs 1 GPU ?
It's not only about money you know ... for that you can get 2 GTX 560 and they will outperform the 580 too ...

:P

But i must say, price wise, 6990 will be better... this is what i think ... i hope i'm wrong :P

[tajoh111]

surprised? fermi perform well that's for sure, the only two cards from the fermi architecture that sold like hotcakes were the GTX460, and now GTX560... I would not call the rest of fermi an awesome buy unless you breathe eat and EVGA & Nvidia.

2x 6950 cost less than gtx 580... and outperform it, why? fermi is too expensive to produce, I would not call that "AMD's mistake" both their architectures are geared differently.

2x 6950 are not cheaper than a gtx 580...

[MaddMuppet]

2x 6950 are not cheaper than a gtx 580...

Not down here either. They are about $200 NZ more for the 6950's.

[kuroikenshi]

2x 6950 are not cheaper than a gtx 580...

here in Aus I bought 2 x sapphire for $640, hwich is less than a GTX 580 down here.

you cannot compare 2 gpu's vs one, I suppose deep inside I also concur with that statement, after all I was the proud owner of a highly OCed 5970.

humm, until we know exactly which GF chip will be in the Flagship GTX I am afraid we wont be able to compare to ANtilles

[GoldenTiger]

I've noticed SKYMTL has started posting. If I know my xtremesystems, then he knows something we all don't ;-)

True true! Now if only this mystery were solved in time for my evga stepup... I can dream!

[Sam_oslo]

Not down here either. They are about $200 NZ more for the 6950's.

6950 is dead after 560, unless they drop the price sharply. Nobody would bother to buy one, let alone tow.
If somebody wants to go for a CFX or SLI, then 560 SLI is a cool, quiet, power efficient, ... etc with a great performance. Why should anybody bother to go with 6950 CFX?

[Postmodum]

I don't believe 6950 is dead... i mean, in all reviews i saw, i didn't see the 560 being superior to the 6950 much the other way
It's a little hotter than the 560 but consumes a little less ...

So... don't understand why it's dead

[[XC] Oj101]

Sam dude, I love nVidia but you're coming across as their biggest fanboy - and not just in this thread

6950 will continue to enjoy large success as long as they unlock to 6970.

[Sam_oslo]

I don't believe 6950 is dead... i mean, in all reviews i saw, i didn't see the 560 being superior to the 6950 much the other way
It's a little hotter than the 560 but consumes a little less ...

So... don't understand why it's dead

I believe they need to drop the price on 6950, otherwise it will be pragmatically be dead. Because as it is, 560 beats it in price, performance, OC-headroom, with almost the same power usage.
I just got a GB OC 560 myself, and still testing, but I'm really happy with it so far. It's really cool and quiet, and this would make it a great candidate for a SLI setup too.

[Sam_oslo]

Sam dude, I love nVidia but you're coming across as their biggest fanboy - and not just in this thread

6950 will continue to enjoy large success as long as they unlock to 6970.

Stamping me won't prove your points. I got a 560 and I'm really happy with it. You got a problem with that?
Im expressing my ideas as i believe it. I respect your (and others) ideas without calling names. What you say proves your own attitudes, not mine.

I suggest we all keep it civilized. Attack the point, not the person.

[Postmodum]

Sam, but how does it beat the 6950 in performance, if the 6950 was in most cases faster than the 560 ... sometimes by 10fps and more?
Are you talking in terms of a overclocked 560? I'm talking stock... performance wise, we analyze it stock... because if not, i can bios mod the 6950 too and then the 560 will say byebye ...

I don't really get ... it's an amazing board, yes ... but it's not better than the 6950 at stock... yes, it's a overclockers joice, because of the OC headroom ... but...

Oh well... i've always used Nvidia, but i can see a good chip in the 6950 too And they just launch the 1Gb version of the 6950 the price will roughly the same as the 560 ...

[Sam_oslo]

Sam, but how does it beat the 6950 in performance, if the 6950 was in most cases faster than the 560 ... sometimes by 10fps and more?
Are you talking in terms of a overclocked 560? I'm talking stock... performance wise, we analyze it stock... because if not, i can bios mod the 6950 too and then the 560 will say byebye ...

I don't really get ... it's an amazing board, yes ... but it's not better than the 6950 at stock... yes, it's a overclockers joice, because of the OC headroom ... but...

Oh well... i've always used Nvidia, but i can see a good chip in the 6950 too And they just launch the 1Gb version of the 6950 the price will roughly the same as the 560 ...

I didn't test both cards, but my trusted source of review has tested both and Aanad has concluded :

AMD’s GTX 560 Ti counter-offensive leaves us with a few different thoughts, none of which have much to do with the GTX 560 Ti.

You can read it here: AMD’s GTX 560 Ti Counter-Offensive: Radeon HD 6950 1GB & XFX’s Radeon HD 6870 Black Edition

Many other rewires say something similar, and I'm very happy with 560 myself so far. If you still mean 6950 is better, that's your view, right or wrong doesn't matter.

None of us are judges, we just express our ideas, and hopefully learn from different ideas, and each other.

[Postmodum]

Of course No one is saying "i'm right you're wrong and i don't want to talk more about it ! " it's all about points of view...

But i've seen different conclusions from another websites...
It's a pretty close match between both AMD and Nvidia solutions

[MaddMuppet]

Of course It's a pretty close match between both AMD and Nvidia solutions

That's what makes this card so interesting. I hope it does turn out to be real. I don't know what chip they end up using. But if it is the equivalent to it's ATI counterpart, it will be very interesting indeed.

[Postmodum]

Are you talking about the 590? Well, my guess is that they are going to use a down-clocked GF114 like the one in GTX 580 ... with the GTX 295 they used the same chip in the GTX280 down-clocked to GTX260 clocks... my guess they will do something similar here But my guess is a <=400W TDP ... i don't believe they will manage to get a 300TDP with this one ...

[Sam_oslo]

Of course No one is saying "i'm right you're wrong and i don't want to talk more about it ! " it's all about points of view...

But i've seen different conclusions from another websites...
It's a pretty close match between both AMD and Nvidia solutions

yeah, I agree. There is different kind of conclusions depending on what review you read.
Unfortunately, this GPU-business is more like monkey-business in these days, with too much PR, agents, etc .. . We still have many good review sites, but a few are willing to change their conclusions for a few slants too.

Therefore it's important that we as a community can exchange ideas and experiences in a impartial way, based on our hand on experience, to help each other to make a better HW-choice. But if we stamp all different ideas as "fanboy" or other personal-attacks, then it can get really difficult to figure what is good or bad. We all need to develop a wider vision by being tolerant for different ideas and experiences.