Quote Originally Posted by JF-AMD View Post
The best way to convince you would be to let you buy it and then face buyers remorse later, right
you've got some confidence their.

Quote Originally Posted by TheBlueChanell View Post
I'm interested in what the overall IPC increase is, I'd hope it would be a fair amount given how long Bulldozer has been in the works. AMD knows what they are up against, and they need to shine. Server side may be okay with higher core count vs. ipc but the desktop needs a large IPC increase from Phenom 2.
this reminds me of song by queens of the stone age
"no one knows."

Quote Originally Posted by zalbard View Post
I don't think anyone promised insane IPC improvements. What you're suggesting is nowhere near being possible. We've seen what the new arch is about, so we can more or less tell what to expect, IPC wise.
AMD in tight spot usually produces something wonderful.

Quote Originally Posted by Manicdan View Post
my assumption is that we will see upper 3ghz at launch with 4ghz+ in turbo, that can beat a 5ghz thuban per core, but with 2 extra cores.
honestly sometimes I wonder why they didn't bother with a Phenom II x8 MCM.
Thuban is kind of a large die surely making less money off them vs x4 is a bit of waste.

Quote Originally Posted by eXa View Post
More than 25% improvement in IPC
If so I would be very happy

Edit: If it OC like SB too (5ghz+ on water) i will wet my pants....
that is what I hope is minim IPC over phenom II.

we actually already had 5-15% with K8 vs K10(phenom I), and another 2-5% with Phenom II.