AMD Radeon HD6950/6970(Cayman) Reviews

[DilTech]

Please do explain because your reasoning seems to be flawed.

Lost Planet 2 isn't any different from a large number of upcoming DX11 titles that put forth some serious GPU requirements. It uses a large number of DX11-specific features which is why AMD's HD 5000-series struggled. The HD 6000-series will STILL struggle simply because both Barts and to a lesser extent Cayman largely incorporate architecures which are meant to live in a pre-DX11 world. Cayman has changed this somewhat as evidenced by the large increase versus Cypress in some DX11 titles.

There is absolutely no bias involved. IMO, it is AMD's fault that framerates are poor in many new titles as their drivers completely fail to address known performance optimization issues again and again. Anyone who fails to recognize this is looking at the market with blinders over their eyes.

Once again.... This x100.

IF you REALLY think that AMD couldn't have addressed an "older" title like Lost Planet 2 with their driver optimizations then we must be living on a different planet.

Furthermore if you think that its only due to drivers that GTX 470 is on par with HD 6970 and HD 5970 then your planet is further away then I thought.

That way as I mentioned you SHOULD DEFINITELY add other NV lead sponsored titles and be done with your almost unplayed but in review games list. Maybe then you will stop using the excuse that others have blinders over their eyes, while more likely it might be your occasionally "green perception" that fails to notice how biased those Lost planet 2 results are for a review!

Shadov... I'm just going to go ahead and tell you, look through SkyMTL's review history. Dig back, we'll wait. He's been EXTREMELY unbiased the entire time his site has been around. I'm just assuming you don't realize that he's not one of those reviewers that do everything they can to paint one side or the other badly.

I don't care about what hardware does best at what so let me be specific about my point.

Lost Planet 2 makes inefficient use of GPU power to what is seen on screen
HAWKS 2 make inefficient use of tessellation.

The best looking game are still manly DX9 & when Dx10 & 11 is an option all we see is frame hit for nearly no noticeable difference.

Many games being console ports & the console game didn't need it for it to be a good game & you should not have to pay through the nose to have a gfx card to run the PC version just because its adds something barely noticeable just because the gfx card had such a feature.

Use it because its needed & in amounts that's needed & not just because its exits.

What is your exact reasoning to say LP2 or HAWX2 makes "inefficient use" of tessellation? That's a real question by the way, no sarcasm to be found in there.

Personally, I kind of like the idea that they make the PC version look as amazing as they can. I mean, we have the ability to change our options in the menu should we not have the gpu power to max it out, right? Why not give those people who have the cream of the crop some additional eye candy since they bought a $500 card?

What you're essentially asking now is that the PC version look like the console version, just a higher resolution... You do realize that, right?

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There is a large group of people talking negatively about AMD incluiding you. Are they all impartial and unbiased? One more time including you? I doubt so.

Sure it is your opinion and since when is your opinion a fact.

A fact can be proven, an opinion cannot. What I stated as a fact there is very easily proven. Want to prove it yourself? Go through any random gpu thread here outside of the GTX560 thread(it's probably the only one that hasn't erupted into flames yet), tell me what you find.

I've corrected people who incorrectly flame AMD products as well, it's just that usually when THAT occurs someone else does it within 30 seconds of the post happening and as such it'd become redundant for me to do the same thing.

Just maybe some people have good reason to be unhappy with some of the Nvidia tactics, some of which looks like doesn't bother you at all.

I'll say this 1000 times... maybe I'm the only one who still uses their brain when buying parts, but frankly speaking the only thing I look at when I am thinking about buying a product is the product and it's competitor. I don't care what that company told people(most of those "people" were investors, not buyers btw), I only care about the product itself. It's not like JHH saying he'll open a "can" killed 50,000 baby seals or anything, or like woodscrews were used to torture my mother or anything. Every company that deals with millions or billions of dollars is doing something shady, in case you didn't know.

Dear Mr. DilTech,

Although we all appreciate any effort to correct facts and obvious mistakes on our behalf, I guess that most of us already have a mother and/or a father and are in no need of another one. Anyway, I’m sorry to hear about your experience with us and I do hope that we will behave more restrained/correct in the time to come.

At the same time I feel the need to say the obvious as there – in my view - are some very good reasons as to why Nvidia have got their fair share over the last couple of years. What actually triggered this post was your wording “…for whatever reason…” and I started to wonder where you have been lately.

The disrespect that Nvidia has shown us – the buyers of their cards and software - over the last couple of years are to the best of my knowledge breath-taking and unprecedented in any “Fortune 500” company; I have actually never seen someone their pants as many times and in the ways that JHH has been over the last couple of years.

I’m sure that you’re aware of most of his ty pants but believe that listing some of them will help us all:

1. The renaming of the renaming of the renaming of the renaming of the renaming of the renaming …
2. Woodscrew gate
3. The announcement of the announcement of the announcement of the announcement of the announcement…
4. “Business practise” like an Italian Godfather combined with Jim Carrey’s impersonation of someone that completely has lost their mind – Big arse ego, Assassins Creed, etc. comes to mind +++.
5. “Can of whoop arse”…
6. For some more examples please have a look at Saaya’s signature… :-)

I honestly believe that one has to have a JHH mobile on vibrate stuck up one’s arse if one’s not capable of grasping the above or actually just agreeing. However, there’s been a change over the last months and I can only hope that The Board of Directors, the CEO and the administration understand how this has hurt the company’s reputation and credibility, and has changed their practise.

We are sick and tired of “whoop arses” and just want JHH to shut the up and deliver the goods; No more talk, just walk the walk. Then, and only then, I believe that Nvidia will be taken seriously and the lynch-mob disappears. I know for sure that’s when I’ll start considering buying their stuff again.


Rob


Ps. I don’t look at AMD/ATI as the innocent company, although they are called “The peasants company” in the Far East due to their lack of market professionalism. They have however, kept their mouth shut and delivered to the their best of capabilities. Merry xmas to you and you’re family.

I guess the big difference is I just look at the product itself.

Although, you can scratch A.C. off your list. The code AMD sent Ubisoft broke the title, we went over that 1000+ times on this forum. AMD didn't fix the code(remember, a LOT of lights shined THRU buildings... the torches on the castle come to mind), so ubisoft removed the path from the title. I mean, they added it for AMD in good faith, it didn't work properly, amd didn't fix it, ubisoft removed it. Notice they didn't re-enable it when NVidia released the 4xx series and had a card suddenly that could perform it? It's because the code itself was buggy!

It's things like that which irk me. People making decisions due to mis-information and spreading that mis-information to others to do the same thing. I mean, staff members of a site SHOULD be correcting people when they're wrong, right?

Hope that makes sense to you.