AMD Radeon HD6950/6970(Cayman) Reviews

[DilTech]

I don't think AMD had to allow everything ATi and game developers did together. Especially since AMD hardly could have integrated ATi that much at that time.
It takes years, and I'm pretty sure it was ATi staff that managed the contact with game developers. If AMD would stomp in and switch personell or try to micromanage ATi at that point the entire operation of ATi would be stalled for a long time. At that point ATi was owned by AMD, but hardly integrated.

AMD had already done quite a bit of switching around the staff by then. Considering the team up between ATi and the developers of CoJ took place after AMD bought ATi I'm sure they had more to do with it than you would think.

The problem, as I see it, is that we have GPU sponsored games in the reviews. This is akin to having McDonalds present on an educational eating awareness review.

Surely there are game that could be used, that haven't been tainted by AMD or NVIDIA. Surely?

Maybe there are games that neither hand have touched, but frankly speaking a lot of the titles they have ARE popular games. A journalist should always look at what is popular amongst their readers whenever writing their (hopefully impartial) article. I mean, who here cares about the performance of games they will never play?

Yep, that's what i meant i did, left tessellation on but disabled DOF. Phyx was of course off as well.

But still, at the main menu for example, with DX11 + tessellation only, i get like 45 fps. If i disable tessellation, then it goes up to 66 fps. If i set it to DX10 it goes up to about 68fps. This gives me room to enable AFx16 as well Which IMO yields the best experience all round (on my graphics card at least).

They should stop putting tessellation on stupid things like bowls and teddy bears start doing what AvP and the likes have done, make it a necessity to have.

Only putting tessellation on a few objects will make those which lack it stand out and look flat in comparison. We have the horse power now to tessellate a majority of what's on the screen, why not take advantage of it? The only reason I can see not to do so is because AMD aren't as strong at it as NVidia is, but doing that is literally holding back graphics due to one side's weakness. That is something that should never be done, I don't care which side has the weakness, and I'll buy whichever card lacks said weakness.

That's simply because AMD's driver team doesn't implement their optimizations until a later date...if at all. The same thing goes for NVIDIA as evidenced by their utter lack of 3DMark 11 SLI support.

So again: why hamstring the impartiality of an article because of slow driver development?

This x100. Fact is, just because one side performs obviously worse than the other in a game, there's no reason to leave that title out. That would've been like not benching half life 2 or the original far cry when it was still the 9800XT vs the 5950 Ultra.

The more you post, the more I seem to agree with you. Guess even though we're in different fields of writing, journalists tend to think a lot alike.

That's more a side effect than actual intent. To tie up performance and features to your hardware whilst avoiding your weak points in order to one-up the competition and hopefully sell more cards. These same companies will tell you how something their hardware is either lacking or not so strong at, is either unnecessary or wasteful depending on the situation. There is no noble intent here

Whatever the reasoning behind it, if it means we get better looking titles than it's a win for the buyer of said products. If you think back, there were several games that definitely ended up looking better due to the money graphics companies spent to make those titles look better. The original far cry and it's DX9C patch would be a solid example.

So what's the TL;DR version of this thread?

6970 is not quite not as fast as people were hoping it would be. Still competitive in a lot with the 570GTX except in a few titles(like HAWX2 and lost planet 2), but is also more expensive than the 570GTX. The 2 gb of ram situation does help out at ultra high resolutions though. 6950 is the sweet spot if you feel you need a cayman for whatever reason, and overclocked it'll match the 6970 for ~$70 less.

That about sums it up in a nut-shell.

[LightSpeed]

6970 is not quite not as fast as people were hoping it would be. Still competitive in a lot with the 570GTX except in a few titles(like HAWX2 and lost planet 2), but is also more expensive than the 570GTX. The 2 gb of ram situation does help out at ultra high resolutions though. 6950 is the sweet spot if you feel you need a cayman for whatever reason, and overclocked it'll match the 6970 for ~$70 less.

6970 is about equal, actually even slightly faster than the 570 at 1920 and above. I feel drivers will benefit the 6970 more than the 570 too. Certainly depends on the games though. They just made a major change after ~3 years(VLIW4) hence the brilliant performance in some games and relatively poor showing in some IMO. Give 'em time

Still, both are great cards and the 570 is cheaper too

[RPGWiZaRD]

Funny the only time I see DilTech around in News section is at a GPU launch, either defending Nvidia or speaking negatively about ATI/AMD.

[DilTech]

Funny the only time I see DilTech around in News section is at a GPU launch, either defending Nvidia or speaking negatively about ATI/AMD.

When a large group speak negatively yet wrongly constantly about something, anyone impartial will end up looking biased as they correct those who were incorrect. I also correct those who say something wrong in the other direction, but generally those people are corrected far before I have a chance to say anything.

If you look around this forum, a lot of people here are practically a lynch-mob against NVidia for whatever reason. That's not an opinion either, that's an actual fact. It actually got so bad that I was asked to stay out of the gpu threads entirely for quite awhile merely because correcting people made me LOOK completely biased, even though my information was correct. Same reason most of the staff on this site stay out of GPU threads as I'm sure you'll notice. It was funny to me, because at the time there was a shiny 4850 sitting in my gaming rig, yet people said I was biased against AMD.

Think about that for a second, and things will begin to make more sense to you.

I generally stay out of cpu discussion unless there is something big on the horizon because frankly speaking if you have a c2q or better most of it really isn't a big enough improvement to want to spend your time with. I mean, I'm still on a Q6600, and I haven't seen enough of an improvement over this cpu to warrant buying a new mobo, ram, and cpu yet. Before that Q6600, I only used AMD chips during the P4 vs A64 era, and once the X2's came out I pretty much would NOT touch an intel chip until the C2D showed up.

I go by what works best for what I want to do. If I see a glaring issue(like say, DX9 power on the GeForceFX series) I steer clear of it until it is proven that it's a non-issue. If people aren't informed of that possible issue, I tend to point it out to them. At present, it appears AMD may still not be up to par on tessellation performance. This isn't a sure thing, but it appears to be a possibility, which is why I stated that only time will tell if it's a driver or hardware issue.

[BababooeyHTJ]

I just can't believe that Cayman draws more juice than a GTX280. Where are all of the hot and power hungry complaints now?

[DilTech]

I just can't believe that Cayman draws more juice than a GTX280. Where are all of the hot and power hungry complaints now?

I think everyone expected it this time to be honest. We all knew this was going to be AMD's hottest and most power hungry chip since the HD 2900xt.

6970 is about equal, actually even slightly faster than the 570 at 1920 and above. I feel drivers will benefit the 6970 more than the 570 too. Certainly depends on the games though. They just made a major change after ~3 years(VLIW4) hence the brilliant performance in some games and relatively poor showing in some IMO. Give 'em time

Still, both are great cards and the 570 is cheaper too

That's what I was pointing out in my little summary. Initially people were mad because for whatever reason they expected GTX 580 like performance, even though people like Sky MTL were telling them that expecting that much would lead to their disappointment, thus my statement.

Also the 1920 and above was covered in that too.

The poor showing in some titles may be due to tessellation power(hawx2 for example), but we won't know for sure until we see if AMD can correct performance there in future drivers.

The 6950 2gb really is the sweet-spot for cayman though.

[Bowtie]

The poor showing in some titles may be due to tessellation power(hawx2 for example), but we won't know for sure until we see if AMD can correct performance there in future drivers.

Even with tessellation off in hawx2, the nvdia cards pull well ahead or AMD falls well back depending on where one stands. Same with lost planet 2, another nvdia sponsored title....

[Olivon]

I just can't believe that Cayman draws more juice than a GTX280. Where are all of the hot and power hungry complaints now?

They're noisy too ...

[RPGWiZaRD]

Anyway we shouldn't complain so much because right now there's very great competition in every price segment which hasn't been the case for a very long time and prices change/have changed quite a lot lately for the better if you look back only a couple of months.

[StimulatedBoy]

They're noisy too ...

6970 are noisy? I have a couple of 6970's installed in my PC right now and they don’t create any more noise than the previous 5870's that were installed prior to this week’s change... Fan is set to 30% like I normally do and that's it???

[Frodin]

I just can't believe that Cayman draws more juice than a GTX280. Where are all of the hot and power hungry complaints now?

The 6950 is best-in-class in performance per watt, only beaten by the lowly 5450 in Techpowerup´s test, at least in 1680x1050 and up:
http://techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/R...D_6950/30.html

It draws less power than the GTX 280 in all tests by 17- 67w, except for BD- playback where it draws 6w more:
http://techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/R...D_6950/27.html

The 6970 is quite a bit less efficient though, drawing 12w less in idle and up to 38w more under load:
http://techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/R...D_6970/27.html

The GTX 280 is not in the performance per watt charts, but I think it is safe to say that it would be way below either Cayman, much more than the around 20% lower power consumption vs the 6970.

I think, all in all, that the 6950 is a pretty solidly performing card, priced around 80% of the 6970 and GTX 570 which are priced equally locally.

Edit: I don`t know where you read that the Cayman GPUs draw more power than a GTX 280, I just checked the results in a second review I had read earlier (Anandtech), and there the GTX 285 (which is even better than the GTX 280 in this regard) draws more power than both 6950/70 in all tests:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4061/a...eon-hd-6950/24

[BababooeyHTJ]

The GTX 280 is not in the performance per watt charts, but I think it is safe to say that it would be way below either Cayman, much more than the around 20% lower power consumption vs the 6970.

GTX280 is also two and a half years old.

I think, all in all, that the 6950 is a pretty solidly performing card, priced around 80% of the 6970 and GTX 570 which are priced equally locally.

This I can agree with. 6950 looks like the hell of a card. 6970 on the other hand I can't see one reason to buy one over GTX570.

[Calmatory]

If you look around this forum, a lot of people here are practically a lynch-mob against NVidia for whatever reason. That's not an opinion either, that's an actual fact.

..and the problem for you is? I think it's just hilarious. I see no problem with it really.

[RPGWiZaRD]

^ Yea I'm sure many other here sees it like this, I know I do. Also I know it will lead to unnecessary arguing/thread crapping and possibly flamebaiting etc. so I think it's just better to let the biased people think what they do, most don't care if they are wrong or right anyway.

[Heinz68]

Funny the only time I see DilTech around in News section is at a GPU launch, either defending Nvidia or speaking negatively about ATI/AMD.

+1

When a large group speak negatively yet wrongly constantly about something, anyone impartial will end up looking biased as they correct those who were incorrect.

There is a large group of people talking negatively about AMD incluiding you. Are they all impartial and unbiased? One more time including you? I doubt so.

If you look around this forum, a lot of people here are practically a lynch-mob against NVidia for whatever reason. That's not an opinion either, that's an actual fact.

Sure it is your opinion and since when is your opinion a fact.

Just maybe some people have good reason to be unhappy with some of the Nvidia tactics, some of which looks like doesn't bother you at all.

[VoodooProphetII]

When a large group speak negatively yet wrongly constantly about something, anyone impartial will end up looking biased as they correct those who were incorrect. I also correct those who say something wrong in the other direction, but generally those people are corrected far before I have a chance to say anything.

If you look around this forum, a lot of people here are practically a lynch-mob against NVidia for whatever reason. That's not an opinion either, that's an actual fact. It actually got so bad that I was asked to stay out of the gpu threads entirely for quite awhile merely because correcting people made me LOOK completely biased, even though my information was correct. Same reason most of the staff on this site stay out of GPU threads as I'm sure you'll notice. It was funny to me, because at the time there was a shiny 4850 sitting in my gaming rig, yet people said I was biased against AMD.

Think about that for a second, and things will begin to make more sense to you.

I generally stay out of cpu discussion unless there is something big on the horizon because frankly speaking if you have a c2q or better most of it really isn't a big enough improvement to want to spend your time with. I mean, I'm still on a Q6600, and I haven't seen enough of an improvement over this cpu to warrant buying a new mobo, ram, and cpu yet. Before that Q6600, I only used AMD chips during the P4 vs A64 era, and once the X2's came out I pretty much would NOT touch an intel chip until the C2D showed up.

I go by what works best for what I want to do. If I see a glaring issue(like say, DX9 power on the GeForceFX series) I steer clear of it until it is proven that it's a non-issue. If people aren't informed of that possible issue, I tend to point it out to them. At present, it appears AMD may still not be up to par on tessellation performance. This isn't a sure thing, but it appears to be a possibility, which is why I stated that only time will tell if it's a driver or hardware issue.

+1 But like yourself I can see why it is better to let the people think and say what they want to as long as it is not against ATI. Shame.

[StimulatedBoy]

If you look around this forum, a lot of people here are practically a lynch-mob against NVidia for whatever reason. That's not an opinion either, that's an actual fact.

Dear Mr. DilTech,

Although we all appreciate any effort to correct facts and obvious mistakes on our behalf, I guess that most of us already have a mother and/or a father and are in no need of another one. Anyway, I’m sorry to hear about your experience with us and I do hope that we will behave more restrained/correct in the time to come.

At the same time I feel the need to say the obvious as there – in my view - are some very good reasons as to why Nvidia have got their fair share over the last couple of years. What actually triggered this post was your wording “…for whatever reason…” and I started to wonder where you have been lately.

The disrespect that Nvidia has shown us – the buyers of their cards and software - over the last couple of years are to the best of my knowledge breath-taking and unprecedented in any “Fortune 500” company; I have actually never seen someone their pants as many times and in the ways that JHH has been over the last couple of years.

I’m sure that you’re aware of most of his ty pants but believe that listing some of them will help us all:

1. The renaming of the renaming of the renaming of the renaming of the renaming of the renaming …
2. Woodscrew gate
3. The announcement of the announcement of the announcement of the announcement of the announcement…
4. “Business practise” like an Italian Godfather combined with Jim Carrey’s impersonation of someone that completely has lost their mind – Big arse ego, Assassins Creed, etc. comes to mind +++.
5. “Can of whoop arse”…
6. For some more examples please have a look at Saaya’s signature… :-)

I honestly believe that one has to have a JHH mobile on vibrate stuck up one’s arse if one’s not capable of grasping the above or actually just agreeing. However, there’s been a change over the last months and I can only hope that The Board of Directors, the CEO and the administration understand how this has hurt the company’s reputation and credibility, and has changed their practise.

We are sick and tired of “whoop arses” and just want JHH to shut the up and deliver the goods; No more talk, just walk the walk. Then, and only then, I believe that Nvidia will be taken seriously and the lynch-mob disappears. I know for sure that’s when I’ll start considering buying their stuff again.


Rob


Ps. I don’t look at AMD/ATI as the innocent company, although they are called “The peasants company” in the Far East due to their lack of market professionalism. They have however, kept their mouth shut and delivered to the their best of capabilities. Merry xmas to you and you’re family.

[Frodin]

The HD6870 maybe leads in Perf per watt but the 6900 series is just a TINY bit better then GTX 5XX's perf per watt.

The GTX 480, 570 and 580 are around 55, 70 and 75% as efficient as the HD 5950 in resolutions that matter for these high end cards:
http://techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/R...D_6950/30.html

A little higher vs the 5970, around 70 and 90% efficiency:
http://techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/R...D_6970/30.html

Dear Mr. DilTech,
Stop being the Nvidia nNanny™ etc

Thank you for putting words to how I portray this company nowadays! Although, as you mention, they seem to have got a lot better better since the Fermi launch, perhaps that was a breaking point for them in more than one way.

[[XC] hipno650]

I'm truly sorry, but I don't consider reviews that used biased results from Lost Planet 2 as "real"... They should also add HawX 2 and be done with the almost unplayed but favour NV games list?

Of course I dont look at it that seriously, but it irks me somehow when reviewers choose to not notice that something is seriously wrong/flawed with the results in a given game title.

well thats fine for you. but I for one actually PLAY LP2 on the PC so it performance is important to me... it's not the reviewers job to try to paint both companies as even as possible in PERFORMANCE it is the reviewers job to show the performance of popular demanding games. and there is no way around it. AMD's performance in LP2 is trash. and it does not matter why. is LP2 Nvidia sponsored. yes. that does not change the fact that LP2 performs bad on AMD. it may a part of the reason why but AMD still performs bad. if you don't play LP2 then ignore it and look at games that you play, pretty simple. people wanna see game performance. if reviewers took out all the sponsored games then there would be no games left to benchmark. just because it's Nvidia sponsored does not change the fact that people play the game and it's performance is important...

also I have NEVER seen any other site explain in extreme detail how they review GPU's and WHY they review GPU's they way they do. HWC has done that. if there is another please point me in it's direction and i will read it but until then HWC has EARNED respect for it's reviews because they explained how and why they review the way they do and it makes sense to me.


another thing to think about is the relevance of Perf-watt. i know lots of people have different opinions on it but really does how many watts your card uses affect how your GPU performs? no it does not. for example lets say we have a new GPU come out that uses 20watts full load but only performs as good as a 5750 and is priced at $300, who is going to by it? Nobody in their right mind. because for an extreme gamer running a screen of 1080p or more a 5750 does not cut it performance wise... I have a 5870 that was in my Main Rig before I upgraded to a GTX 480, ya it uses less power but it was not giving me the performance I was looking for at 1080p the GTX 480 is much faster I have found and yes it uses more power but I could care less because my performance is drastically higher... i still have that 5870 by the way in my secondary comp and it works great for when a buddy comes over... don't get me wrong using less power is great but i find it ranks at the bottom of features I look for in a new video card...

[tajoh111]

Dear Mr. DilTech,

Although we all appreciate any effort to correct facts and obvious mistakes on our behalf, I guess that most of us already have a mother and/or a father and are in no need of another one. Anyway, I’m sorry to hear about your experience with us and I do hope that we will behave more restrained/correct in the time to come.

At the same time I feel the need to say the obvious as there – in my view - are some very good reasons as to why Nvidia have got their fair share over the last couple of years. What actually triggered this post was your wording “…for whatever reason…” and I started to wonder where you have been lately.

The disrespect that Nvidia has shown us – the buyers of their cards and software - over the last couple of years are to the best of my knowledge breath-taking and unprecedented in any “Fortune 500” company; I have actually never seen someone their pants as many times and in the ways that JHH has been over the last couple of years.

I’m sure that you’re aware of most of his ty pants but believe that listing some of them will help us all:

1. The renaming of the renaming of the renaming of the renaming of the renaming of the renaming …
2. Woodscrew gate
3. The announcement of the announcement of the announcement of the announcement of the announcement…
4. “Business practise” like an Italian Godfather combined with Jim Carrey’s impersonation of someone that completely has lost their mind – Big arse ego, Assassins Creed, etc. comes to mind +++.
5. “Can of whoop arse”…
6. For some more examples please have a look at Saaya’s signature… :-)

I honestly believe that one has to have a JHH mobile on vibrate stuck up one’s arse if one’s not capable of grasping the above or actually just agreeing. However, there’s been a change over the last months and I can only hope that The Board of Directors, the CEO and the administration understand how this has hurt the company’s reputation and credibility, and has changed their practise.

We are sick and tired of “whoop arses” and just want JHH to shut the up and deliver the goods; No more talk, just walk the walk. Then, and only then, I believe that Nvidia will be taken seriously and the lynch-mob disappears. I know for sure that’s when I’ll start considering buying their stuff again.


Rob


Ps. I don’t look at AMD/ATI as the innocent company, although they are called “The peasants company” in the Far East due to their lack of market professionalism. They have however, kept their mouth shut and delivered to the their best of capabilities. Merry xmas to you and you’re family.

Whoop ass was 2 and a half a years ago and it hasn't been mentioned since. It is time to let go. JHH has been alot more humble lately.

And as for AMD keeping their mouth shut, they have been as mouthy as Nvidia back in their hey day. Hence the hype behind the 69xx series.

Most of the things you mentioned have no effect on the consumer like woodscrew cards and the announcement of an announcement.



The only thing that has some sort of effect is the renaming and they have been doing alot less of that recently.

As for questionable business practises, it strange that you are hammering on Nvidia(and won't buy one for it), but you own an Intel system. If you want to talk about questionable business practises, they are the ones that wrote the book on it, in the tech industry.

[DilTech]

Please do explain because your reasoning seems to be flawed.

Lost Planet 2 isn't any different from a large number of upcoming DX11 titles that put forth some serious GPU requirements. It uses a large number of DX11-specific features which is why AMD's HD 5000-series struggled. The HD 6000-series will STILL struggle simply because both Barts and to a lesser extent Cayman largely incorporate architecures which are meant to live in a pre-DX11 world. Cayman has changed this somewhat as evidenced by the large increase versus Cypress in some DX11 titles.

There is absolutely no bias involved. IMO, it is AMD's fault that framerates are poor in many new titles as their drivers completely fail to address known performance optimization issues again and again. Anyone who fails to recognize this is looking at the market with blinders over their eyes.

Once again.... This x100.

IF you REALLY think that AMD couldn't have addressed an "older" title like Lost Planet 2 with their driver optimizations then we must be living on a different planet.

Furthermore if you think that its only due to drivers that GTX 470 is on par with HD 6970 and HD 5970 then your planet is further away then I thought.

That way as I mentioned you SHOULD DEFINITELY add other NV lead sponsored titles and be done with your almost unplayed but in review games list. Maybe then you will stop using the excuse that others have blinders over their eyes, while more likely it might be your occasionally "green perception" that fails to notice how biased those Lost planet 2 results are for a review!

Shadov... I'm just going to go ahead and tell you, look through SkyMTL's review history. Dig back, we'll wait. He's been EXTREMELY unbiased the entire time his site has been around. I'm just assuming you don't realize that he's not one of those reviewers that do everything they can to paint one side or the other badly.

I don't care about what hardware does best at what so let me be specific about my point.

Lost Planet 2 makes inefficient use of GPU power to what is seen on screen
HAWKS 2 make inefficient use of tessellation.

The best looking game are still manly DX9 & when Dx10 & 11 is an option all we see is frame hit for nearly no noticeable difference.

Many games being console ports & the console game didn't need it for it to be a good game & you should not have to pay through the nose to have a gfx card to run the PC version just because its adds something barely noticeable just because the gfx card had such a feature.

Use it because its needed & in amounts that's needed & not just because its exits.

What is your exact reasoning to say LP2 or HAWX2 makes "inefficient use" of tessellation? That's a real question by the way, no sarcasm to be found in there.

Personally, I kind of like the idea that they make the PC version look as amazing as they can. I mean, we have the ability to change our options in the menu should we not have the gpu power to max it out, right? Why not give those people who have the cream of the crop some additional eye candy since they bought a $500 card?

What you're essentially asking now is that the PC version look like the console version, just a higher resolution... You do realize that, right?

+1


There is a large group of people talking negatively about AMD incluiding you. Are they all impartial and unbiased? One more time including you? I doubt so.

Sure it is your opinion and since when is your opinion a fact.

A fact can be proven, an opinion cannot. What I stated as a fact there is very easily proven. Want to prove it yourself? Go through any random gpu thread here outside of the GTX560 thread(it's probably the only one that hasn't erupted into flames yet), tell me what you find.

I've corrected people who incorrectly flame AMD products as well, it's just that usually when THAT occurs someone else does it within 30 seconds of the post happening and as such it'd become redundant for me to do the same thing.

Just maybe some people have good reason to be unhappy with some of the Nvidia tactics, some of which looks like doesn't bother you at all.

I'll say this 1000 times... maybe I'm the only one who still uses their brain when buying parts, but frankly speaking the only thing I look at when I am thinking about buying a product is the product and it's competitor. I don't care what that company told people(most of those "people" were investors, not buyers btw), I only care about the product itself. It's not like JHH saying he'll open a "can" killed 50,000 baby seals or anything, or like woodscrews were used to torture my mother or anything. Every company that deals with millions or billions of dollars is doing something shady, in case you didn't know.

Dear Mr. DilTech,

Although we all appreciate any effort to correct facts and obvious mistakes on our behalf, I guess that most of us already have a mother and/or a father and are in no need of another one. Anyway, I’m sorry to hear about your experience with us and I do hope that we will behave more restrained/correct in the time to come.

At the same time I feel the need to say the obvious as there – in my view - are some very good reasons as to why Nvidia have got their fair share over the last couple of years. What actually triggered this post was your wording “…for whatever reason…” and I started to wonder where you have been lately.

The disrespect that Nvidia has shown us – the buyers of their cards and software - over the last couple of years are to the best of my knowledge breath-taking and unprecedented in any “Fortune 500” company; I have actually never seen someone their pants as many times and in the ways that JHH has been over the last couple of years.

I’m sure that you’re aware of most of his ty pants but believe that listing some of them will help us all:

1. The renaming of the renaming of the renaming of the renaming of the renaming of the renaming …
2. Woodscrew gate
3. The announcement of the announcement of the announcement of the announcement of the announcement…
4. “Business practise” like an Italian Godfather combined with Jim Carrey’s impersonation of someone that completely has lost their mind – Big arse ego, Assassins Creed, etc. comes to mind +++.
5. “Can of whoop arse”…
6. For some more examples please have a look at Saaya’s signature… :-)

I honestly believe that one has to have a JHH mobile on vibrate stuck up one’s arse if one’s not capable of grasping the above or actually just agreeing. However, there’s been a change over the last months and I can only hope that The Board of Directors, the CEO and the administration understand how this has hurt the company’s reputation and credibility, and has changed their practise.

We are sick and tired of “whoop arses” and just want JHH to shut the up and deliver the goods; No more talk, just walk the walk. Then, and only then, I believe that Nvidia will be taken seriously and the lynch-mob disappears. I know for sure that’s when I’ll start considering buying their stuff again.


Rob


Ps. I don’t look at AMD/ATI as the innocent company, although they are called “The peasants company” in the Far East due to their lack of market professionalism. They have however, kept their mouth shut and delivered to the their best of capabilities. Merry xmas to you and you’re family.

I guess the big difference is I just look at the product itself.

Although, you can scratch A.C. off your list. The code AMD sent Ubisoft broke the title, we went over that 1000+ times on this forum. AMD didn't fix the code(remember, a LOT of lights shined THRU buildings... the torches on the castle come to mind), so ubisoft removed the path from the title. I mean, they added it for AMD in good faith, it didn't work properly, amd didn't fix it, ubisoft removed it. Notice they didn't re-enable it when NVidia released the 4xx series and had a card suddenly that could perform it? It's because the code itself was buggy!

It's things like that which irk me. People making decisions due to mis-information and spreading that mis-information to others to do the same thing. I mean, staff members of a site SHOULD be correcting people when they're wrong, right?

Hope that makes sense to you.

[Final8ty]

Once again.... This x100.







What is your exact reasoning to say LP2 or HAWX2 makes "inefficient use" of tessellation? That's a real question by the way, no sarcasm to be found in there.

Personally, I kind of like the idea that they make the PC version look as amazing as they can. I mean, we have the ability to change our options in the menu should we not have the gpu power to max it out, right? Why not give those people who have the cream of the crop some additional eye candy since they bought a $500 card?

What you're essentially asking now is that the PC version look like the console version, just a higher resolution... You do realize that, right?

I have really said what makes LP2 bad usage of tessellation.

HAWX2 makes bad use of tessellation because it does not add any more detail at a given level & is no difference from adding more & more AA on a given game way past the point of noticeable visual returns but just because we can.

The PC version don't look like the console versions anyway & it does not need high level of tessellation to make a PC game look better because then your claiming that was the only difference until now when that's far from the case.

I can run my games at a higher AA & AF settings than i do & still hold a smooth 60fps Vsync but i don't run a game at i higher setting if i don't notice the difference because its just waste with no noticeable gain & we should not be promoting silly implementations in games just to say we are different.

There is to much using of power to polish a turd in PC games atm, Dirt 2 with tessellation on the crowd which still look like crap & there are better examples of crowds in games with no tessellation but besides that the game is great.