AMD Cayman info (or rumor)

[Iconyu]

I've not always been sure that the 6970 will be faster than the 580, I've been hopeful but not sure. But seeing Overclockers expect to sell at £400 I'd have to say faster. From the rumours yields are fine, even with 2GB of ram as standard AMD wouldn't charge that much unless (very worse case scenario) it was within 5% of the 580.

Basically the 580 is as near perfect as Fermi can get on 40nm, it's a strong card and AMD wouldn't charge equivalently unless they had a winner. Also neither company has let their PR dogs loose AMD has stayed silent that in my books means there's no damage control to be done.

The maths you've done hoping to figure Cayman out is very interesting, but we don't even know the real number of shaders. All we know is that Cayman is about as big as AMD is comfortable making, and that AMD could beat a 480 with a core slightly bigger than Cypress just using the optimisations found in Barts.

At £400 they are on price parity with both the 580 and the 5970 (which easily costs more to make) in the UK, which only means one thing, it wins.

[s1nykuL]

I've not always been sure that the 6970 will be faster than the 580, I've been hopeful but not sure. But seeing Overclockers expect to sell at £400 I'd have to say faster.

Overclockers have always price gouged new products for as much as they can get away with, especially if that new product is thin on the ground. I wouldn't use Overclocker prices as proof that the 6970 will be faster, it's just proof that they are trying to get as much money out of early adopters as possible.

[uncle fester]

Hey guys, i can let you know distributors are taking first shipment's this week and resellers have the option to start purchasing now for the release, This is for Australia i am unsure of other countries but imagine will be same time.
A little bit of inside info given to me is yes they are faster than 580 but by how much i have no idea and they wouldn't break NDA to divulge anything else.

[kuroikenshi]

Hey guys, i can let you know distributors are taking first shipment's this week and resellers have the option to start purchasing now for the release, This is for Australia i am unsure of other countries but imagine will be same time.
A little bit of inside info given to me is yes they are faster than 580 but by how much i have no idea and they wouldn't break NDA to divulge anything else.

are they going to have the usual stupid 40% above MSRP and blaming it on exchange differences of supply shortages???

[uncle fester]

are they gong to have the usual stupid 40% above MSRP and blaming it on exchange differences of supply shortages???

I can confirm that with BIG YES, they are blaming availability over here. But we know its purely because ppl will pay it.

This should push the 580 price down tho so will make that a good buy aswell.

[kuroikenshi]

I can confirm that with BIG YES, they are blaming availability over here. But we know its purely because ppl will pay it.

This should push the 580 price down tho so will make that a good buy aswell.

I've caught them out a few times and told them about it.... too bad ACCC is a toothless as an earthworm... no enforcement at all ....

[eric66]

Hey guys, i can let you know distributors are taking first shipment's this week and resellers have the option to start purchasing now for the release, This is for Australia i am unsure of other countries but imagine will be same time.
A little bit of inside info given to me is yes they are faster than 580 but by how much i have no idea and they wouldn't break NDA to divulge anything else.

what do you mean by they ? if 6950 is also faster than 580 that pretty much means beginning of new era in gpu industry

[zerazax]

what do you mean by they ? if 6950 is also faster than 580 that pretty much means beginning of new era in gpu industry

Can't even imagine what Antilles would do

[FischOderAal]

what do you mean by they ? if 6950 is also faster than 580 that pretty much means beginning of new era in gpu industry

You shouldn't read so much into it. Maybe they meant GTX 580 as a chip, meaning HD 6970 is faster than GTX 580 and HD 6950 is faster than GTX 6950. But who knows?

[thebanik]

what do you mean by they ? if 6950 is also faster than 580 that pretty much means beginning of new era in gpu industry

I just jizzed in my pants by the thought of this happening a reality,

[uncle fester]

what do you mean by they ? if 6950 is also faster than 580 that pretty much means beginning of new era in gpu industry

Ok maybe i used the wrong word there i was talking about the 6970, and my info says it is only marginally faster than 580, they did not divulge in what tests / games or anything, could very well be the case that some tests and games 580 is faster and in other 6970 is faster, NDA sucks and AMD are very strict so i understand the vagueness of what i was told. I am not saying the 6970 will kill the 580 i don't believe anything until i use it but initial source is some what credible.

[JohnMike]

Ok maybe i used the wrong word there i was talking about the 6970, and my info says it is only marginally faster than 580, they did not divulge in what tests / games or anything, could very well be the case that some tests and games 580 is faster and in other 6970 is faster, NDA sucks and AMD are very strict so i understand the vagueness of what i was told. I am not saying the 6970 will kill the 580 i don't believe anything until i use it but initial source is some what credible.

I dont know about performance... But minutes ago i received information about 6970 price and it's going to be lower then today's 580 GTX.
This week there will be plenty of 6950/70 on stores but still under NDA until december 15th.

[zalbard]

Hey guys, i can let you know distributors are taking first shipment's this week and resellers have the option to start purchasing now for the release, This is for Australia i am unsure of other countries but imagine will be same time.
A little bit of inside info given to me is yes they are faster than 580 but by how much i have no idea and they wouldn't break NDA to divulge anything else.

Thanks for letting us know, it is appreciated!
Hopefully the price premium will not be huge assuming that there are no dramatic supply shortages (at least in certain areas).

[saaya]

Hey guys, i can let you know distributors are taking first shipment's this week and resellers have the option to start purchasing now for the release, This is for Australia i am unsure of other countries but imagine will be same time.
A little bit of inside info given to me is yes they are faster than 580 but by how much i have no idea and they wouldn't break NDA to divulge anything else.

cheer man

[Iconyu]

Overclockers have always price gouged new products for as much as they can get away with, especially if that new product is thin on the ground. I wouldn't use Overclocker prices as proof that the 6970 will be faster, it's just proof that they are trying to get as much money out of early adopters as possible.

I'm comparing Overclockers 580 and 5970 prices to that £400.

what do you mean by they ? if 6950 is also faster than 580 that pretty much means beginning of new era in gpu industry

If the 6950 is faster too, then it'll be the 9700pro all over again. But I can't see that happening as the numbers we're hearing about shader count so far would put the two Cayman's pretty far apart.
If both are faster, then nvidia will be frozen out of DX11 altogether, I doubt you'd see a high profile physx game for another two years.

[s1nykuL]

I'm comparing Overclockers 580 and 5970 prices to that £400.

Fair enough, I accept that price can be indicative of performance. The point I am trying to make is that the prices charged by an online store known for price gouging on new, hard to obtain GPU products shouldn't be taken as absolute indication of the performance of such GPU's. It is an indication of greed rather than performance.

For instance OC prices for an Asus 580 are approx £50 more than the same product from Scan. Does this mean that an Asus 580 purchased from OC is faster than the same Asus 580 purchased from Scan?

[generics_user]

Fair enough, I accept that price can be indicative of performance. The point I am trying to make is that the prices charged by an online store known for price gouging on new, hard to obtain GPU products shouldn't be taken as absolute indication of the performance of such GPU's. It is an indication of greed rather than performance.

For instance OC prices for an Asus 580 are approx £50 more than the same product from Scan. Does this mean that an Asus 580 purchased from OC is faster than the same Asus 580 purchased from Scan?

AMD always had more competitive prices in the last 3 years, if it's priced higher than 580 from the start it has to offer a higher performance

[s1nykuL]

AMD always had more competitive prices in the last 3 years, if it's priced higher than 580 from the start it has to offer a higher performance

I concur, but only if the price set by AMD is higher, not the price set by price gouging online outlets.

[Borden]

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