Quote Originally Posted by Dimitriman View Post
Sure I whole heartedly agree about the Christmas shopping time ans the need for competition. Unfortunately AMD will be too late for good price adjustments to take place before the holiday and I am dissapointed with the three week delay. What Im simply stating is that a lot of people automatically assume that a 3 week delay means AMD is on the losing end and wont deliver a competitor to the 580.

That doesnt mean I believe Cayman will destroy the 580 at all I think it will be a +/- 5% close battle, just dont see how AMD cannot improve more than 20% over the 5870 like many say. Hell, even if they did a full blown 1600 shader 6870 chip it would be a good deal faster than the 5870 (considering 6870 is 5% slower with 1120 only). Yet they are still doing more than that so I surely bet on a very competitive Christmas.
I for one, wouldnt belive that a "1600 shaders barts" would beat GTX580. Shaders are not everything, and its been speculated since its launch that HD5870 shaders might be underused.. in essence it has 1600, but many stay idle most of the time. Teraflops is not everything, remember that GTX580 barely has a peak performance of 1,5 TF, while beating 5870 with its 2,72 TF...
In essence, what I mean is: dont be so quick to qualify a 6870 as big step on efficiency upon Cypress.. Just as GTX580 is Fermi done right, 6870 might be Cypress done right