Quote Originally Posted by zerazax View Post
Well the good news I guess is that the cards are still set for Q4 2010 so those rumors the cards wouldn't be out this year should be thrown out the door

Can't wait to see what happens. Would be sweet to see cards battle again at all segments... it's been quite some time
Well, i dunno how long it's been. If Cayman could deliver & a good match for GTX 580, it would be the first time in a long long time that single chip performances beetween both IHVs are quite competitive from top to middle (okay, below GF104 nVidia sucks, but still ...). In R5xx vs G7x era, ATI was strong on top but weak on the middle (those blazing fast, easy to OC GeF 7600 GT), and going a gen behind, R4xx vs NV4x, same story yet again (my beloved Leadtek GeF 6600 GT was one heck of pocket OCer).

If you want to draw similarities beetween past occurence, perhaps this is R5xx vs G7x, but the acts were reversed. GTX 480 would be like X1800 XT (R520), big, hot, fast, technologically advanced (HDR+AA) but late to the game and quickly replaced by X1900 XT (GTX 580) that was more performing. HD 5870 would be like GeF 7800 GTX (G70), quite fast & available on time, surpassed by X1800 XT but had a contingency partner, 7800 GTX 512 (HD 5970) limited edition. It was finally replaced by GeF 7900 GTX (HD 6970) that was plenty good vs X1900 XT, small, energy efficient, cheaper to produce, very profitable. Good old times.

Quote Originally Posted by zerazax View Post
That makes no sense. AMD's been on top of their game in terms of efficiency and heat for the past two generations, why would they suddenly hit major problems on a process that they're on their 3rd generation for?

And AMD hasn't released info on their card because it's a HUGE business risk to advertise their product before its release. It's been covered repeatedly throughout this thread, but people repeatedly refuse to understand the business of GPUs.

So I'll put it this way: name the GPUs that have been extremely hyped up that have been successful, and name the GPUs that have been wildly successful that were silent til release.

You'll see a pretty obvious trend
You're absolutely right mate.

Quote Originally Posted by neliz View Post
Even if they can't offer the performance, then AMD would put price pressure on the GTX580, they've done this for a few generations now and it is doing their market share quite good.

I however, see no reason to be "afraid" or "fear" anything right now.

Sit back, relax, take a cup of tea, things will unfold soon when the cards ship.

edit: Why is everyone assuming that Cayman is slower than an overclocked 5870? I thought the consensus was that it's nearing Hemlock territory, right on top of the GTX580?
Now, i will hold you accountable later on for this neliz, also with Cayman Pro trading blows with GTX 580 remark.