Nvidia confirms the GTX 580

[spursindonesia]

That ASUS GTX 580 card is priced three times of GTX 460 OCed, so using the same calculator, it can be extrapolated that the price would be US$ 219 *3 = US$ 659 ?? US$ 599 isn't far away from that number, considering ASUS card usually carries a price premium (at least it does in my country).

[Aten-Ra]

There's not much you can tweak with Fermi.

This statement shows either that the design is perfect witch it cant be, or that you don’t know anything about Semiconductors, Transistors and Electronics in general and you reading all the crap some people write in the net.

We can never say that we cant do anything more with a chip even as large as GF100 is. We would never design and construct a 100% perfect chip when its that complex as GF100 or even smaller. There are always more things we can do to make a chip like GF100 better and im sure NV has a lot of people able to do it.

Cypress was supposed to be a perfect chip, smaller, better power usage per performance, better thermals etc etc. Well guess what ?? they made it more efficient in the 6800 series.

Im more concern about Cayman (HD6900) being ready in time than GTX580.

[stangracin3]

if it really is gonna come out over $650, i want whatever JHH is Smoking.

cause you know it has to be better than pineapple express.

[Dimitriman]

Law of supply and demand folks... When you have 10 cards produced for a global market prices tend to go up.

[Sn0wm@n]

Law of supply and demand folks... When you have 10 cards produced for a global market prices tend to go up.

1 gpu waffer is it now???

[h0bbes]

Charlie sucked on many fronts regarding GPU leaks, especially lately on the exact specs of the chips, but regarding the state of GPU chip fabrication in foundry (TSMC), the guy is plenty darn accurate for the past 2 years. He said that GTX 580 would be released soon, but limited in availability, i trust him more (compared to JHH parrot called Fuad Abazovic) until it's proven wrong.

Just by looking at the accuracy of the different types of "information" he provides, it was previously suggested that his source should be "related" to TSMC.

[Rai]

Yep, especially coming from a guy who kept trumpeting the propaganda of a certain nVidia fanboy from Czech, like this:



BRAVO !



Have you ever heard a thing called GOODWILL ? AMD still have some in the tank, not so sure about nVidia though, regarding the renaming game. You want to shed a bad light over AMD, atleast let it happen first, accusation can only take you so far. You calls out some members as certain side fanboy, very much the definition of the pot calling the kettle black.



I don't think Cayman XT will be at GF110's level TDP speaking, my guess is at around 210-220 w. They put a 8 pin PEG supporting 300 w max board power, perhaps because of OCing support or less efficient (compared to Cypress board) VRM design which doesn't use digital VRM again, judging from the leaked PCB screen.

And we already know the definition of nVidia's Fermi GF 100 TDP is quite, hmm what should we call it ? different ? Last leak suggested 244 w TDP for GTX 580, we have to see first whether it was like GTX 480's fake 250 w TDP or more appropiate GTX 460's 160 w TDP.

First off thanks for finding that insightful post from OBR via Vardant.


It always amazes me that ppl don't understand how corporate culture/consumer good will can play a role in brand selection. If you had an ATI card during the whole Assasin's Creed DX10.1 saga and you believed Nvidia was to blame for the removal of the the performance increasing patch how would you feel? Chances are, that if the offerings from ATI and Nvidia were exactly equal, the next time out you would go with ATI since Nvidia just gave you the shaft. People remember the bad more easily than the good, add in community dividing proprietary standards like Physx and the constant renaming of the G92, the fermi flop, and there you go, Nvidia has pissed away a lot of their customer good will. They have to earn it back, and the GTX 460 was a step in the right direction.

[Teemax]

I love how the GTX 5xx rumors just popped out no where. Northern Islands has been in the pipeline for a while, and it was hardly a surprise for anyone.

But the GTX 580, 560 and whatnot, they just materialised out of thin air. NVIDIA's magic number play again? :p

[saaya]

AMD has been working on that architecture for 5 years. From Radeon HD 2900 to Radeon HD 6800, it has been the same damn architecture every single time. Just optimizations. Plus, Dirk Meyers (I'm sure it's this guy..) officially said around 6 months ago that 6xxx series are coming around this time. It's not something that was said spontaneously.

Oh and, Fermi has reached its peak for 40 nm, simply put. It's too big, it's too hot. If you ask me, I certainly don't know of anything else they can improve (except probably remove everything related to programming and optimize it for gaming so that they can slap more shaders in. That's a lot of change on an architecture)

dont you think calling r600 and rv970 the same architecture is a bit over the top? i mean its kinda true, but then you could also call G80 and jasper the same architecture...

they have tweaked so much that its not really the same architecture anymore if you ask me... overall it seems that asic design is becoming more and more streamlined and there are less and less jumps and big changes... which actually makes a lot of sense... i dont think that we will see anything truly revolutionary a la a64,c2d,dx8,dx9,sm3 from a cpu or gpu in the future, not like it was in the past...

[zalbard]

Here:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-g...th-/10222.html

say 599$.

Too high if you ask me... Will be stomped by Cayman, and especially Antilles.

[highoctane]

I love how the GTX 5xx rumors just popped out no where. Northern Islands has been in the pipeline for a while, and it was hardly a surprise for anyone.

But the GTX 580, 560 and whatnot, they just materialised out of thin air. NVIDIA's magic number play again? :p

What, you didn't think there would be a 580 or 560, did you think they where done at 480 and 460. The gf110 and gf112 rumors have been around as long as NI rumors, only recently have the 580 and 560 retail product names been hinted at.

Anybody with a fraction of a brain should be able understand regular product refreshes/updates is part of the industry and is what keeps consumers buying new and updating old.

[GoldenTiger]

Too high if you ask me... Will be stomped by Cayman, and especially Antilles.

Yeah, $599 would be way too high in my opinion. I am/was considering going SLI GTX 580, but that price is pretty high per card for what it's looking poised to offer.

[Eagleclaw]

What gives you any reason to doubt full availability on launch?

Launch will be just as 6850/70 was.

All indications and most rumors have the 580 being a paper launch so maybe you should change your concern.

Im more concern about Cayman (HD6900) being ready in time than GTX580.

[spursindonesia]

I love how the GTX 5xx rumors just popped out no where. Northern Islands has been in the pipeline for a while, and it was hardly a surprise for anyone.

But the GTX 580, 560 and whatnot, they just materialised out of thin air. NVIDIA's magic number play again? :p

If we look at how bad the execution on Fermi part 1 with chips coming out without full fledged part & having excessive power consumption, i think nVidia does have some wiggle room to work upon. But that wiggle room is most likely smaller than what AMD have considering the new mArch approach & die size + power envelope vs performance leadership in this process node.

Yeah, $599 would be way too high in my opinion. I am/was considering going SLI GTX 580, but that price is pretty high per card for what it's looking poised to offer.

Judging the way nVidia aggressively matching Bart cards pricing structure by discounting the comparable cards of their own -even using the mammoth GF110 based GTX 470 against the relatively tiny Bart XT HD 6870, i'm sure they will adjust GTX 580 price accordingly with the way things unfold in the future.

[[XC] hipno650]

leaked pricing is a joke, most likely true on launch but way to much. I can see Nvidia pulling what they did with the GTX 280 launch, new card comes out and is the fastest, prices are extremely high, then when AMD release the almost as fast but much cheaper cayman prices will drop $200. Moral of the story don't by cards from Nvidia on launch.

[Eagleclaw]

With most 480's on newegg going for ~$499 or lower hmm I can't see the 580 going for ~$599.

Like you said I think Nvidia will end up pricing according to what Cayman is at launch.

If we look at how bad the execution on Fermi part 1 with chips coming out without full fledged part & having excessive power consumption, i think nVidia does have some wiggle room to work upon. But that wiggle room is most likely smaller than what AMD have considering the new mArch approach & die size + power envelope vs performance leadership in this process node.



Judging the way nVidia aggressively matching Bart cards pricing structure by discounting the comparable cards of their own -even using the mammoth GF110 based GTX 470 against the relatively tiny Bart XT HD 6870, i'm sure they will adjust GTX 580 price accordingly with the way things unfold in the future.

[cold2010]

NVFlash 5.100.0.1

NVIDIA Firmware Update Utility (Version 5.100.0.1).

This DOS based software can be used to upgrade your NVIDIA video card BIOS flash ROM. You can also use it to create a backup of the BIOS on your video card.

This version adds BIOS flashing support for NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580

[SamHughe]

Do you guys think that the custom coolers for 480 will also fit to 580s? I heard they did some revisions on the cooler but do you think these revisions are really significant?

[Sn0wm@n]

NVFlash 5.100.0.1

ohhh cool .. they must have a card in hand ... :O zomg ...

Do you guys think that the custom coolers for 480 will also fit to 580s? I heard they did some revisions on the cooler but do you think these revisions are really significant?

arent these the kind of questions best answered when at least reviewers would have a card in their hand to the very least .... ?????

[zalbard]

Do you guys think that the custom coolers for 480 will also fit to 580s? I heard they did some revisions on the cooler but do you think these revisions are really significant?

Hard to say. Depends on the particular cooler, some are quite universal. I guess PCB will not stay the same, though.

[SamHughe]

Hard to say. Depends on the particular cooler, some are quite universal. I guess PCB will not stay the same, though.

That's what I'm afraid of. I just ordered a Spitfire + VGM-G2 combo for my 480 and it seems like I cannot use it if I upgrade to a 580 (Not that I am planning to upgrade the 480 very soon though).

[Macadamia]

leaked pricing is a joke, most likely true on launch but way to much. I can see Nvidia pulling what they did with the GTX 280 launch, new card comes out and is the fastest, prices are extremely high, then when AMD release the almost as fast but much cheaper cayman prices will drop $200. Moral of the story don't by cards from Nvidia on launch.

That's BS IMO, retroactive pricecuts normally affect only the US+EU. Live elsewhere, you're rather ed. 470s sell for 330USD here btw, ridiculous.

There's a reason why most people here prefer AMD's consistent MSRP strategy: for countries that have distributor-chain methods it's way more stable and predictable, your card won't devalue nor will you buy it at crazy prices.

Just because Americans have the loudest mouths on forums/reviews doesn't mean that anyone else should get such a big pricing difference.


However I don't think the 580 will go for that high anyway. Most likely 499.

[570091D]

Here:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-g...th-/10222.html

say 599$.

even that is too high as it will still be a bit behind the 5970 and obviously slower than the 6990.... perhaps a price drop is planned as soon as amd drops the 69xx cards.

[Rai]

I don't a quick price drop would buy them any customer good will, why would they knowingly revisit the GTX 280 launch price debacle? Perhaps there are very few dice that meet GTX 580 standards and thus the inflated price.

[[XC] hipno650]

That's BS IMO, retroactive pricecuts normally affect only the US+EU. Live elsewhere, you're rather ed. 470s sell for 330USD here btw, ridiculous.

There's a reason why most people here prefer AMD's consistent MSRP strategy: for countries that have distributor-chain methods it's way more stable and predictable, your card won't devalue nor will you buy it at crazy prices.

Just because Americans have the loudest mouths on forums/reviews doesn't mean that anyone else should get such a big pricing difference.


However I don't think the 580 will go for that high anyway. Most likely 499.

well this is true but I live in Canada and prices seem to move in accordance with the market (US) pretty good. one thing I have noticed about the Canadian Market however is that ATI cards tend to be priced higher then they should given the strength of our dollar ATM were as the nvidia cards tend to be a better bargain. For example your average 6870 is about 250CAD but a GTX 470 is 265CAD and given the overclocking performance of the GTX 470, as long as you have any half decent power supply then the 470 is a pretty obvious choice...