Radeon HD 6850 & 6870 reviews...

[Manicdan]

.... the gtx 460 1gb used less power than even the GTX 260. It actually uses less than the radeon 4850(and doubles them easily it performance a lot of the time). The GTX 470 and 480's issue had nothing to do with what it can do for gaming and everything to do with the amount of transistors they had to add for those workstation type improvements. That's why the GTX 460 does what it does, they took those changes out of it.

Now, does anyone have something logical to add to this discussion?

the launch date of the 460 is much closer to the 6800s than the 5800s, which do you think its really competing with?

i see your edit:

This is exactly my point. We have practically always seen a scenario where a current gen high end is matched by a next-gen mid-range. This is one of the VERY few times that hasn't been the case, THIS is why I'm not impressed. No arguing about power consumption, or "oh it's a smaller die on the same node" is going to matter to me one bit, because in the end they sacrificed performance to make that happen.

there are ONLY 2 things which really let you get double the perf with every new release. architecture and process.

the 4870 to 5870 was 2 fold increase because it got 50% smaller from process changes, 0% from architecture, and is much bigger.
was the 9800 twice as fast as the 8800? how about 3870 vs 2900,

you just need to stop worring about the simple naming convention and be happy with the price to perf changes that gradually change across time. what was the biggest jump you ever saw?