NVIDIA to Counter Radeon HD 6970 ''Cayman'' with GeForce GTX 580

[Dimitriman]

20% faster sounds just right for dual gf104. Good for nvidia as it should be competitive with cayman and overclock well. But antilles is still another story though.

[Olivon]

20% faster sounds just right for dual gf104. Good for nvidia as it should be competitive with cayman and overclock well. But antilles is still another story though.

You really think that GTX 580 is dual GPU ? I don't think so ...

[Manicdan]

wow if 6970 and the 580 are both a bit faster than a 480, it could be a battle for top spot that keeps things really fierce. (ignoring duel gpu cards)

[Dimitriman]

You really think that GTX 580 is dual GPU ? I don't think so ...

I believe it can be done with gf104 dont you?
dual 8pin with 300watts.

[tajoh111]

Do the fish ever stop coming up to take Nvidia's marketing bait?

Well if Charlie believes it(who would be the most pessimistic about NV releasing a response card), I would think it should be true.

[Jowy Atreides]

So, first review up tonight at 12?

Nice, hoping for CAYMAN!!

[Hey Zeus]

I believe it can be done with gf104 dont you?
dual 8pin with 300watts.

IMO using a dual GF104 for a 580 is a huge mistake. If you're going to do a dual 104 chip card make it the 495 and leave the 580 as a single GPU

[kadozer]

Well if Charlie believes it(who would be the most pessimistic about NV releasing a response card), I would think it should be true.

But Charlie is always wrong. That would be quite a grasp at straws even for the most jaded nvidia fan. (admitting he's remotely right about 580)

Which is it eh? can't have it both ways .

[Lightman]

But Charlie is always wrong. That would be quite a grasp at straws even for the most jaded nvidia fan. (admitting he's remotely right about 580)

Which is it eh? can't have it both ways .

Ever heard of parallel universe?

The answer is - YES, YOU CAN

[Sam_oslo]

You really think that GTX 580 is dual GPU ? I don't think so ...

In case, a double-GPU with full 384 SP GF104 would probably perform good enough to compete. But this 580 seams to be some kind of refresh based on GF100.

Anyways, I think nVidia will do "something" really aggressive to counter the ''Cayman'' right at the time of resale. Because the current price-cut for countering the 68xx is indicating that the "peace" is over, and they are up for a good fight in this round.

[tajoh111]

But Charlie is always wrong. That would be quite a grasp at straws even for the most jaded nvidia fan. (admitting he's remotely right about 580)

Which is it eh? can't have it both ways .

I don't think anyone said he is always wrong. His accuracy is pretty amiss typically, but things at the Fab level(not performance), he has been rather accurate as of late.

More so for him to go against his code, to spew all things that hate Nvidia, he wouldn't just report something relatively postive and report it unless it was true.

The equivalent would be like Steve jobs saying PCs offer better value and macs are over priced.

Or George Bush saying the war in iraq was a mistake and much of the financial woes are his fault.


But anyways Kadozer don't be a .

[kadozer]

I don't think anyone said he is always wrong. His accuracy is pretty amiss typically, but things at the Fab level(not performance), he has been rather accurate as of late.

More so for him to go against his code, to spew all things that hate Nvidia, he wouldn't just report something relatively postive and report it unless it was true.

The equivalent would be like Steve jobs saying PCs offer better value and macs are over priced.

Or George Bush saying the war in iraq was a mistake and much of the financial woes are his fault.


But anyways Kadozer don't be a .

Hey wasn't trying to be a banana just pointing out the possible fallacy in invoking Charlie even if it serves a purpose for an argument.

This doesn't sound like Nvidia's m.o.

They usually
-announce product
-announce the date of product to be officially announced
-at official announcement, they setup a website with a counter and possibly show a non working prototype

Keep in mind the logistics and time constraints of all this, and realistically don't see GTX 580 until mid Q1 2011.

[Dimitriman]

In case, a double-GPU with full 384 SP GF104 would probably perform good enough to compete. But this 580 seams to be some kind of refresh based on GF100.

Anyways, I think nVidia will do "something" really aggressive to counter the ''Cayman'' right at the time of resale. Because the current price-cut for countering the 68xx is indicating that the "peace" is over, and they are up for a good fight in this round.

I hope so or else AMD will do to us consumers what Kratos did to Poseidon...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEQc8n-844k

[Xoulz]

Hey wasn't trying to be a banana just pointing out the possible fallacy in invoking Charlie even if it serves a purpose for an argument.

This doesn't sound like Nvidia's m.o.

They usually
-announce product
-announce the date of product to be officially announced
-at official announcement, they setup a website with a counter and possibly show a non working prototype

Keep in mind the logistics and time constraints of all this, and realistically don't see GTX 580 until mid Q1 2011.

Nobody does, he's just trolling.

[kadozer]

Ever heard of parallel universe?

The answer is - YES, YOU CAN

On the basis of string theory and Star Trek, I stand corrected

Nobody does, he's just trolling.

indeed

[tajoh111]

Hey wasn't trying to be a banana just pointing out the possible fallacy in invoking Charlie even if it serves a purpose for an argument.

This doesn't sound like Nvidia's m.o.

They usually
-announce product
-announce the date of product to be officially announced
-at official announcement, they setup a website with a counter and possibly show a non working prototype

Keep in mind the logistics and time constraints of all this, and realistically don't see GTX 580 until mid Q1 2011.

Maybe and for the better changed, Nvidia has changed its hyping tactics. The gtx 465 was hyped up more than the gtx 460 for example. I can't believe they called the crap that was the gtx 465, the next 8800gt.

In addition, this could be very well a paper launch to stop cayman sales(we might have performance numbers, but we won't be able to buy it from retailers) and anything Nvidia says before caymans launch would really antagonize the sales of the gtx 480 which still has a niche before cayman comes out. The gtx 580 is not a competitor for the 6870 so hyping it up when barts is out is pointless and would just add further scrutiny for their marketing practises.

If Nvidia had a big announcement for the release of a gtx 580 at this point, it would just kill gtx 480 numbers and really do nothing to the sales of barts.

Nvidia should be able to cook something up after the release of gf100 at this point, AMD was able to do it and they had a good product to begin with. NV has to do it because it has a seriously flawed product and if they ever want to get in the driver seat again, hopefully they have been feverously trying to get a new architecture or better yet experimenting on cards so they don't screw up their next release.

Nobody does, he's just trolling.

What the heck, trolling. I was just saying Charlie said this card might be coming. I wasn't even calling out other members or trying to get in a flaming costest. The tone of my post which Kadozer originally responded to was quite respectful. And he somehow still tried to imply my as the fanboy(which is definitely trolling). What's with double standards?

Originally Posted by tajoh111
Well if Charlie believes it(who would be the most pessimistic about NV releasing a response card), I would think it should be true.

How is that trolling? Especially in a thread which is specifically about the gtx 580? So basically if we don't say this card isn't coming out and the card is not being made, we are a troll, simply ridiculous. I think it might somehow be mistaken as trolling if this was the 6870 thread or an AMD thread. But in a thread that is specifically about the gtx 580? Man...I can't get some of these forum members reasoning.

I am not even being optimistic. In this thread, I have said if it comes out this year, it's likely going to be a paper launch. I have said nothing really about performance.

[Xoulz]

Maybe and for the better changed, Nvidia has changed its hyping tactics. The gtx 465 was hyped up more than the gtx 460 for example.

In addition, this could be very well a paper launch to stop cayman sales(we might have performance numbers, but we won't be able to buy it from retailers) and anything Nvidia says before caymans launch would really antagonize the sales of the gtx 480 which still has a niche before cayman comes out. The gtx 580 is not a competitor for the 6870 so hyping it up when barts is out is pointless and would just add further scrutiny for their marketing practises.

If Nvidia had a big announcement for the release of a gtx 580 at this point, it would just kill gtx 480 numbers and really do nothing to the sales of barts.

ok.. ?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=261104

[safan80]

ok.. ?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=261104

That was already posted this thread hours before here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=247

The one good thing about this thread was it was containing all the fighting some what. I like when hardware news starts popping up all the newbs start making new threads.

The 512 cuda core card is possible the 768 core rumor is such an odd number. I'm sure they could do both, but not until march at the earliest. Looks like Nvidia will miss Christmas again lol. I wonder how nvidia's financial statements will look this quarter.

[Lanek]

That was already posted this thread hours before here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=247

The one good thing about this thread was it was containing all the fighting some what. I like when hardware news starts popping up all the newbs start making new threads.

The 512 cuda core card is possible the 768 core rumor is such an odd number. I'm sure they could do both, but not until march at the earliest. Looks like Nvidia will miss Christmas again lol. I wonder how nvidia's financial statements will look this quarter.

For this, it will be interessant to get the sell numbers for Quadro ( old and new ) and Tesla .... for other "GPU's" sector it should not be funny at all for them.

[zalbard]

More FUD:

Only yesterday we wrote about the „475“ card and now we can tell you that most likely this card comes with a Geforce GTX 5x0 name. You can read it here. Nvidia has self-leaked Geforce GTX 580 in the high end and this card is based on GT110 chip, the successor and improved version of the original Fermi.

The „475“card is codenamed GT114 and it is likely to become the new Geforce GTX 560. Nvidia believes that their new cards deserve GTX 5x0 names, and this is what is supposed to happen.

This chip will put much more pressure on Barts based Radeon HD 6870 and 6850, but we are not certain when Nvidia plans launch its GF114 based parts. This launch could happen this year, or early next year, and it is clearly a management decision, as the chips are ready.

It all comes down to the current fight with Barts. If the price cut of GTX 460 and GTX470 doesn’t help and AMD manages to make and sell enough Radeon HD 6870 and 6850 cards, we can bet that GTX 560 will appear later this year.

At this time, this is something that Nvidia has to figure out on its own.

Could this be true?

[Olivon]

More FUD:

Could this be true?

Difficult to know but that's more GF112 chip going to replace GF104 ...

[Sam_oslo]

More FUD:

Could this be true?

If true, and as stated "the chip is ready", then I don't see why they should wait until bigging of the next year.
Maybe nVidia is trying to hide a wild-card in sleeves to drop out of the blue sky on ''Cayman'' right on the day of release?.

[h0bbes]

If nvidia is planning to counter "cayman" with the 580, i am pretty sure that it wouldn't be kept as a secret (we were hearing about the 480 aages before its release). Having a price drop on the day of release (like it just happened) makes sense, launching the 580 as a surprise on the day of "cayman" release seems very unrealistic. If they think it can beat the 69xx series (excluding antilles), wouldnt it make sense (also from a marketing/sales perspective) for them to brag about it as the release date nears? Maybe the cards are ready and they will announce a release date close to that of the ATi cards sometime soon

[kgtiger]

Sorry if this is old news I just came accross it just now.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20101020PD223.html

[Iconyu]

If nvidia is planning to counter "cayman" with the 580, i am pretty sure that it wouldn't be kept as a secret (we were hearing about the 480 aages before its release). Having a price drop on the day of release (like it just happened) makes sense, launching the 580 as a surprise on the day of "cayman" release seems very unrealistic. If they think it can beat the 69xx series (excluding antilles), wouldnt it make sense (also from a marketing/sales perspective) for them to brag about it as the release date nears? Maybe the cards are ready and they will announce a release date close to that of the ATi cards sometime soon

Some technology companies tend to be very 'bullish' when they are in trouble when they shut up and you can't seem to find out the truth about anything that's when they don't want anyone to know they are onto something good.