Power regulation on the left? That's really odd.
Power regulation on the left? That's really odd.
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As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Rule 1A:
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
Rule 2:
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
Rule 2A:
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
Rule 3:
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
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You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
It's awful!
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Doesn't that mean we're expecting around cypress class performance for Bart? That's good news to me.
Well with that said, one crossfire connector. Looks like triple-quad crossfire is only for the higher ends. Good decision if you ask me, driver support might be better.
that could be good in some sense. the hot air after your gpu is cooled down is used to finish off cooling the VRMs, since they dont need to be nearly as lowOriginally Posted by Particle
Hmm, it seems almost certain that Bart is indeed a 256 bit chip & ~130-140 w TDP (i don't think the TDP is all that high though the card uses 2 PEG 6 pins connector, considering its rather wimpy cooling solution), with that kinda design, i think ~HD 5850 performance is warranted, and the main reason of recent GTX 460 price drop is explained. I wonder how big the chip is, considering that GF 106 is ~240 mm with less than Juniper XT performance, if AMD can squeeze ~HD 5850 performance into a 260-280 mm^2 chip, that would be great and a serious knock down to nVidia, considering GF 104 360 mm^2 diesize that got owned badly in the efficiency department, first by 330 mm^2 Cypress, then furthermore by this baby giant greenbat killer.
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http://www.nordichardware.com/news/7...n-hd-6800.html
AMD's next generation mid-range GPU is code-named Barts. As previously revealed Barts will be the first graphics circuit to market in October, but it will be named Radeon HD 6800, while Cayman will be saved for the Radeon HD 6900 series.According to other sources to NordicHardware AMD will start shipping reference cards to manufacturers and partners this week, for testing and evaluation. We can confirm that several manufacturers have tested the card and performance is said to be on par with Radeon HD 5850, but we will have to return with more details on the performance of the new mid-range cards.
English is not my native language. So please, before being too nitpicky about my choice of words, please consider the possiblity that I did not mean to say what you might have read into them and inquire if not sure. Thank you 
idk, calling something a 6800 when it performs very similar to the last sounds a little lack luster.
i wonder if they are going to do serious price drops (30%+) or just push these out at the same price point for 5% better perf and a much better margin and hope we take the bait, again.
Well, think about it, market price for hd5,8k is more than rsp. So market has decided that performance is worth more than amd rsp. So if you make new card, there really is no point price it lower for similar performance.
If and i hope also that Nvidia puts out a part that is more powerful than the 6990, AMD will have to respond with a overclocked 6990 that will have to be called 6995 or 6999 lol AMD murdered the naming schema
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I hope that Bart XT, if on performance's level of HD5850, is well below 200$
and I hope I win a million dollars. why would amd and partners give away $100 bucks on every card?
Well it better be worth it, because if your 6800-series card loses to 5800-series it's not going to be good PR. Only way I could see this as beneficial to AMD is that the card would be something like 6810-40, and cheap, so people will feel like "wow, it's a fast 6800-series card and as cheap as a GTX 460 at the same time". If it's just a 5850 with a 50$ premium I doubt it's going to be received well.
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Well, judging on how harshly nVidia whacked GTX 460 street price recently, i think your wish isn't too far offbase, i think Bart XT MSRP won't be any higher than 220 US$. Launched at that price, with ~HD 5850 raw performance and much better tesselation power (the achilles heel of current Evergreen family), GTX 460 1 GB needs to be priced at 180 US$ or lower to stand any chance against this new little beast from ATi.
IMHO, judging from the single XFire finger per card, i think the rebranding/68xx denomination for Bart based cards is somehow debunked. I don't think ATi is stupid enough to design their sweetspot card (x8xx) without any trifire capability (HD 3870 to 5870 have it).
It's a mainstream part, it will be priced just above 5770, probably in the 5830 realm, with better performance.
vrm on the left??? doesnt that mess with the video output signals?
It is ES! there is measurement points etc in board.
so? why would you design an es board that probably has a lot of noise on the video output signals?
then again, if it works fine... having the pwm on the left makes sense if you use an exhaust heatsink... as the pwm can take higher temps than the gpu... if its in front of the gpu, airflow wise, the gpu ends up with hotter air, so the pwm is cooled better but the gpu isnt...
Sapphire has had the VRM in between the GPU and the display out, so nothing too strange. Not sure why they would do this electrically, though.
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Intel's atom is a terrible chip.
Again, good job AMD.Replacing HD5700 series and calling it HD 6800 series.
Well, or maybe now they are going back to their roots with smaller and cheaper chips and sweet spot strategy.
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Don't be so quick to judge.Again, good job AMD.
Well, or maybe now they are going back to their roots with smaller and cheaper chips and sweet spot strategy.
There are many out there that are very skeptical of these "renaming" rumors.
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Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
To confirm if the noise is real or not. Theory takes you only that far...
Well, whatever it ends up being, they can't continue with their current flow to increase the chip size. I'm pretty sure they would prefer having <300 mm˛ chips and lower MSRPs, brings then market share and hurts Nvidia if they ever happen to struggle again with their gaming GPUs.
Other reason would be to focus on 28 nm chips and bring the real improvements to the table then. If they make a small leap now, they will make bigger leap next gen. If they make a bigger leap now, they can't make that big leap later on. So now just focusing on smaller chips to sell lots of them during the christmas and H1 next year, they can drop in a real jawbreaker with 28 nm flagship chips.
Well, guess it gains them better money to make as big leaps as possible all the time, rather than now focusing on small, cheap chips and sell them with very good perf/$ to gain market share, then drop the real leap to the table with 28 nm. Right now gamers don't give aabout ATI, let alone AMD, when compared to Nvidia and Intel. Somehow they need to change that, and I'd bet they have perfect recipe for it right now when Nvidia is at it's weakest.
I think you must have meant less than 50% don't give a dancing banana about ATI, and more than 50% don't give a dancing banana about nvidia.Well, whatever it ends up being, they can't continue with their current flow to increase the chip size. I'm pretty sure they would prefer having <300 mm˛ chips and lower MSRPs, brings then market share and hurts Nvidia if they ever happen to struggle again with their gaming GPUs.
Other reason would be to focus on 28 nm chips and bring the real improvements to the table then. If they make a small leap now, they will make bigger leap next gen. If they make a bigger leap now, they can't make that big leap later on. So now just focusing on smaller chips to sell lots of them during the christmas and H1 next year, they can drop in a real jawbreaker with 28 nm flagship chips.
Well, guess it gains them better money to make as big leaps as possible all the time, rather than now focusing on small, cheap chips and sell them with very good perf/$ to gain market share, then drop the real leap to the table with 28 nm. Right now gamers don't give a
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