ATI cannot make working video drivers

[audiofreak]

I got totally pissed with constant regressions, and I wrote an article about it few days ago.

It is here:
http://levicki.net/articles/software...eo_drivers.php

Sure Google is fast -- it already indexed it, and its ranked #1:
http://www.google.com/search?q=ati+cannot+make

I know a lot of people will now chime in and say "it works fine for me", welcome to the Internet

[slaveondope]

10.4

[[XC] Oj101]

10.4

Roger that

[audiofreak]

10.4

You mean 10.4 as in "10.4 is the last ATI driver working acceptably", right?

[Blkout]

10.7 is working just fine for me, so did 10.6 and 10.5 before it. Crossfire 5850's here.

[Blkout]

Just curious though, what games use OpenGL 4.0?

[audiofreak]

10.7 is working just fine for me, so did 10.6 and 10.5 before it. Crossfire 5850's here.

I can accept that it may be "working just fine" for others, but of course this information doesn't mean much without knowing their usage pattern.

Regarding OpenGL 4.0, what games are using it (or will be using it) is irrelevant. Point is that tessellation through OpenGL 4.0 is broken for 58xx series even though ATI claimed it has fully working 4.0 driver back in April. Porky pies.

[Toysoldier]

Regarding OpenGL 4.0, what games are using it (or will be using it) is irrelevant. Point is that tessellation through OpenGL 4.0 is broken for 58xx series even though ATI claimed it has fully working 4.0 driver back in April. Porky pies.

So why am I able to run Tessmark, all night long, if tessellation is broken in OpenGl 4.0 on HD5870 ?
You just accept the people behind Tessmark's claim, without examining it ?

DXVA works fine with Media Player Classic - Home Cinema and it's worked fine with it for a long time. Maybe it's VLC fault that their program crashes ATI drivers.

I don't know Charlie D. but it seems to me your behaving / acting just like the person your bashing for his behavior.

[slaveondope]

Roger that

10.4 is the latest driver that works with my reference 5850's in
Single/Xfire
DVI
HDMI with Audio
BC2
Metro 2033
Bioshock 1-2
Mass Effect 1-2
Far Cry
MW2
L4d 1-2
NFS Shift
FEAR 1-2
Dirt 2
Any 3d benchmark (though not the best) 10.6 for those
MPC video acceleration
2D clocks with Java/proper 2D clocks 127/400
X58 and 790gx platforms

And Im sure Im missing something. Thats the run down of my uses and 10.4 is the only one to meet all my demands.
I understand there are many configurations that can run into issues even with the said above driver.
It does suck but while benching some old Nvidia cards I had to try several different drivers as well not just for the higher score either.

Lets all just not get blind sided and forget it happens in both camps.
Drivers are like shoes, one size cant fit all.

[dengyong]

Maybe it's more acurate to say "ATI cannot make compatible video drivers"

I have a system with a reference hd5850 and windows 7pro 64bit and video drivers have been a headache at best.

For all the ones chiming in to say "you people are crazy, it works fine for me", that would only apply if everyone else were running the exact same hardware and software as you.
The bazillion people who say ATI drivers are pitiful, should give you a clue toward the truth.

[Blkout]

I can accept that it may be "working just fine" for others, but of course this information doesn't mean much without knowing their usage pattern.

Regarding OpenGL 4.0, what games are using it (or will be using it) is irrelevant. Point is that tessellation through OpenGL 4.0 is broken for 58xx series even though ATI claimed it has fully working 4.0 driver back in April. Porky pies.

I have about 15-20 games installed on my computer and all of them are working just fine as they have with almost every Catalyst release since the launch of the 5800 series. I think that defines my usage pattern will enough.

So, no games use OpenGL 4.0, possibly none even scheduled to use in the immediate future but you're complaining because Tesselation is broken in OpenGL 4.0? Are you just bored and have nothing else to complain about or did you just want some attention today?

[Blkout]

Maybe it's more acurate to say "ATI cannot make compatible video drivers"

I have a system with a reference hd5850 and windows 7pro 64bit and vidio drivers have been a headache at best.

For all the ones chiming in to say "you people are crazy, it works fine for me", that would only apply if everyone else were running the exact same hardware and software as you.
The bazillion people who say ATI drivers are pitiful, should give you a clue toward the truth.

So keep using Nvidia and be done with it. No one is forcing you to use ATI and ATI has been good to me for the last few years. Nvidia has its own share of driver issues. I got a clue and it says ATI is going to stay in my machine for a while longer.

Windows 7 Ultimate
Core i7 920
12GB Corsair DDR3 1600Mhz
Radeon 5850 Crossfire

[Blkout]

10.4 is the latest driver that works with my reference 5850's in
Single/Xfire
DVI
HDMI with Audio
BC2
Metro 2033
Bioshock 1-2
Mass Effect 1-2
Far Cry
MW2
L4d 1-2
NFS Shift
FEAR 1-2
Dirt 2
Any 3d benchmark (though not the best) 10.6 for those
MPC video acceleration
2D clocks with Java/proper 2D clocks 127/400
X58 and 790gx platforms

And Im sure Im missing something. Thats the run down of my uses and 10.4 is the only one to meet all my demands.
I understand there are many configurations that can run into issues even with the said above driver.
It does suck but while benching some old Nvidia cards I had to try several different drivers as well not just for the higher score either.

Lets all just not get blind sided and forget it happens in both camps.
Drivers are like shoes, one size cant fit all.

I have every one of those games installed on my PC except Fear 1-2 and Far Cry, what issues are you having with Cat 10.7 with the other games? Mine are working great.

[slaveondope]

Maybe it's more acurate to say "ATI cannot make compatible video drivers"

I have a system with a reference hd5850 and windows 7pro 64bit and video drivers have been a headache at best.

For all the ones chiming in to say "you people are crazy, it works fine for me", that would only apply if everyone else were running the exact same hardware and software as you.
The bazillion people who say ATI drivers are pitiful, should give you a clue toward the truth.

Please do carry on else where, generalizations in the bazillions aren't needed or helpful.

As I stated in previous post the issue with drivers is in both camps.

I have every one of those games installed on my PC except Fear 1-2 and Far Cry, what issues are you having with Cat 10.7 with the other games? Mine are working great.

Honestly havent tried 10.7 because 10.4 works and until it doesnt I see no need in switching.
If it aint broke dont fix it
I tried 10.5/6 and had issues with BC2 and a green tint over HDMI.

I run Win7 x86 and x64 btw

[dengyong]

So keep using Nvidia and be done with it. No one is forcing you to use ATI and ATI has been good to me for the last few years. Nvidia has its own share of driver issues. I got a clue and it says ATI is going to stay in my machine for a while longer.

Windows 7 Ultimate
Core i7 920
12GB Corsair DDR3 1600Mhz
Radeon 5850 Crossfire

I needed as much gpu power as I could get within the constraints of the psu in my sgo5.
I've learned that ati has great hardware and poor software. I'm not brand loyal, I just want products that deliver.

Please do carry on else where, generalizations in the bazillions aren't needed or helpful.

As I stated in previous post the issue with drivers is in both camps.

It's not your place to tell me where to carry on and this thread is not about "the other camp". I'll do as I please within the rules of this forum.

[cadaveca]

I would simply like this problem fixed. Even the "magical" 10.4 driver has this problem with multiple monitors, and eyefinity. The problem will only occur on one monitor, and it happens on any of the three monitors...(this is 2D, even. I do have a large list of issues that have prevailed for some time now.) :

[audiofreak]

So why am I able to run Tessmark, all night long, if tessellation is broken in OpenGl 4.0 on HD5870 ?
You just accept the people behind Tessmark's claim, without examining it ?

If you doubt Tessmark author's claim about the bug in 10.7 driver, feel free to visit the link I provided in the article where there is also a screenshot of broken rendering.

Furthermore, what I personally accept is what my friend and a respectable member of this community Lukija, author of A64Info tool told me -- he said he couldn't run Tessmark because ATI driver crashed.

DXVA works fine with Media Player Classic - Home Cinema and it's worked fine with it for a long time.

Are you sure DXVA is even being used when you play video? Do you know how to check? Do you know with how many reference frames video has been encoded with? Is it a Level@4.1 video or higher?

So, no games use OpenGL 4.0, possibly none even scheduled to use in the immediate future but you're complaining because Tesselation is broken in OpenGL 4.0? Are you just bored and have nothing else to complain about or did you just want some attention today?

Downplaying the issue and insulting me in the process doesn't make the issue go away, only complaining does. What I am doing is calling out ATI and Charlie for lies and hypocrisy.

...ATI has been good to me for the last few years.

This pretty much sums up the quality level of your contribution to this discussion

[skuldarin]

On mine with 10.5 and 10.7 if I do a restart with saved oc settings the card will freeze on bootup but rest of the system will still be fine... also with those same two drivers in World of Warcraft there's loads of artifacting left and right and every now and then all character models will disappear leaving on the detailed things behind like shoulders, weapons and whatnot. On 10.6 I don't have this issue, don't have it with 10.4 either but there's an obvious image quality difference between the two.

[ColonelCain]

Putting a in the thread header will always prevent flaming.

[Blkout]

Downplaying the issue and insulting me in the process doesn't make the issue go away, only complaining does. What I am doing is calling out ATI and Charlie for lies and hypocrisy.



This pretty much sums up the quality level of your contribution to this discussion

Didn't realize I was insulting you, I simply asked if you were bored or looking for attention as this problem just isn't worth getting upset about.

As for my level of contribution, you may be right in that I guess it bothers you that not everyone is upset about ATI's products, drivers, etc....and if you have a problem with Charlie from another website, why are you ranting about it here?

[bill_d]

try
http://www.amdsurveys.com/se.ashx?s=5A1E27D27E29B0E3

[Toysoldier]

If you doubt Tessmark author's claim about the bug in 10.7 driver, feel free to visit the link I provided in the article where there is also a screenshot of broken rendering.

Furthermore, what I personally accept is what my friend and a respectable member of this community Lukija, author of A64Info tool told me -- he said he couldn't run Tessmark because ATI driver crashed.



Are you sure DXVA is even being used when you play video? Do you know how to check? Do you know with how many reference frames video has been encoded with? Is it a Level@4.1 video or higher?

Yes, I doubt their claims since I can runs Tessmark just fine, it haven't crashed a single time.

Yes I'm sure DXVA is being used.
Yes I know how to check.

Whats the number of reference frames got to do with anything related to ATI's ability to play back video or not ?

I'm talking about HD video content either i720 or i1080 encoded in H.264 format, MP4 format and FLV format encoded with level 4, 4.1 or 5 etc.

[[XC] Oj101]

10.4 is the latest driver that works with my reference 5850's in
Single/Xfire
DVI
HDMI with Audio
BC2
Metro 2033
Bioshock 1-2
Mass Effect 1-2
Far Cry
MW2
L4d 1-2
NFS Shift
FEAR 1-2
Dirt 2
Any 3d benchmark (though not the best) 10.6 for those
MPC video acceleration
2D clocks with Java/proper 2D clocks 127/400
X58 and 790gx platforms

And Im sure Im missing something. Thats the run down of my uses and 10.4 is the only one to meet all my demands.
I understand there are many configurations that can run into issues even with the said above driver.
It does suck but while benching some old Nvidia cards I had to try several different drivers as well not just for the higher score either.

Lets all just not get blind sided and forget it happens in both camps.
Drivers are like shoes, one size cant fit all.

No no nooooo, you missed the pun Ten-Four = Affirmitive

[audiofreak]

Didn't realize I was insulting you, I simply asked if you were bored or looking for attention as this problem just isn't worth getting upset about.

1. Stupid people are easily bored.
2. Attention whores are craving for attention.

Which one of those two you had in mind when you asked me whether I was bored or looking for attention?

You obviously fail to realize that it is not "this problem" (i.e. OpenGL 4.0 tessellation) that got me upset -- it is an evergrowing collection of different problems that numerous ATI card owners are facing after each driver update.

As for my level of contribution, you may be right in that I guess it bothers you that not everyone is upset about ATI's products, drivers, etc

No, what bothers me is that people have accepted mediocre quality and they are allowing that quality to decay further.

We have been letting ATI get away with it while they were the underdog.
Give me one good reason why we should continue to tolerate their incompetence and sloppyness now?

....and if you have a problem with Charlie from another website, why are you ranting about it here?

I don't have a problem with Charlie, I have a problem with him turning a blind eye when it comes to ATI, and his unwillingness to investigate things that are bad for consumers if those things were not done by NVIDIA.

try
http://www.amdsurveys.com/se.ashx?s=5A1E27D27E29B0E3

I know people who did, and nothing they reported got fixed so far.

Whats the number of reference frames got to do with anything related to ATI's ability to play back video or not ?

Playing Level@5.1 videos and videos with high number of reference frames resulted in corrupted image or even OS crashing. Not sure if that is still the case though.

No no nooooo, you missed the pun Ten-Four = Affirmitive

Hahaha, good one

Btw, Ten-Seven = Out of Service

[PaganII]

The way I see it is that once you screw up a driver install then every driver install after that will also be screwed up until you manually clean out the registry and delete all ATI folders, then start over. Driver Cleaners miss stuff.
10.7 works just fine @ 5760 X 1080